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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 24 Jun 2019 13:37

Hi Bert. Thank You.
But there are some differences.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by apollo111 » 24 Jun 2019 16:27

Hi Uncle. Kaelble Z 4 GR
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 24 Jun 2019 16:45

Hi apollo.
Thank You.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by the Rocketman » 24 Jun 2019 19:26

Appollo,

Thats correct I also came to the conclusion not a Hanomag but a Kaelble
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See this link http://www.rswe.de/index_html_files/Flu ... 202017.pdf


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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 24 Jun 2019 23:45

Hi Bert,
I believe the civilian/commercial designation of the SS-55 is ST-55.Nice photo.
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 25 Jun 2019 06:25

MAN ML 4500 S or ML 4500 A?
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Is this a front wheel differential?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by uncle » 25 Jun 2019 12:20

Hi all.
Guys, that for a truck?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 26 Jun 2019 21:38

Bert wrote
thank You very much for Your critical reply.
There are other designations in the book "Volkswagen Militärfahrzeuge 1938 - 1948" by Hans-Georg Mayer-Stein:
type 82 - 7: three-seat command superstructure on the normal Kübelwagen type 82
type 82 - E: chassis of the normal Kübelwagen with the limousine superstructure, called "Geländekäfer"
Mayer-Stein: "It is possible there were built only three Allrad-Käfer (four-wheel-beetle): two vehicles in 1941 ..., and another vehicle in 1943 in Stuttgart."
Here three pics of this cabrio-limousine with four-wheel-drive, October 1943, with the designation type 98 out of the book "Volkswagen Militärfahrzeuge".
Bert wrote
in the book of Mayer-Stein there is the information, that newer investigations are leading to some doubts, that Volkswagen built 564 four-wheel drive beetles, because all chassis with four-wheel drive were completely recorded under the designation type 87, also these with a Kübelwagen superstructure.
The designation type 87 is a generic term, specified by additional designation with numbers:
type 87: chassis with four-wheel drive
type 87 - 0: Kübelwagen superstructure (four seats)
type 87 - 1: Kübelwagen superstructure (three seats)
type 87 - 7: closed superstructure limousine (command car)
Thanks for your answers, Bert but It seems that the information about these vehicles is quite confuse..... :?
Every time I have less clear the differences between some variants and others.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Sturm78 » 29 Jun 2019 17:29

Hi all,

Krupp or Henschel ??

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 29 Jun 2019 23:47

Hi Sturm,
Based on the curved rear mudguards, I would say Krupp:
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 01 Jul 2019 23:02

Hi Sturm,
Definitely Krupp L3H 163 Kfz. 77. But not because of the mudguards. :wink:
Max, don't forget that in most cases body manufacturer and chassis manufacturer are different things. Here you're right but only because you've had a good luck Kfz. 77 wasn't available on Henschel 33 chassis. If it was Krupp with normal GS body with angular rear fenders on that picture, than what?
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 01 Jul 2019 23:39

Hi ilfil,
Thanks for that. I guess I based my argument on the fact that although I've seen Krupps with angular mudguards, I've never seen an open body Henschel Type 33 with curved mudguards. Of course I haven't seen everything yet... :wink:
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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by ilfil » 02 Jul 2019 05:20

Hi Max,
I also still have to see many things but in this particular case you have an excellent ID point: the rear hubs.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by SIS 5 » 02 Jul 2019 15:56

Hi Max,

the truck on Your pic is the type MAN ML 4500 S, because there is no differential gear. Here a pic of this truck with differential.

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Re: Vehicle identity requests

Post by Maxschnauzer » 02 Jul 2019 23:25

ilfil wrote:
02 Jul 2019 05:20
Hi Max,
I also still have to see many things but in this particular case you have an excellent ID point: the rear hubs.


Cheers!
Good point. Thanks very much, ilfil.
Cheers,
Max

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