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Post by brano » 17 Apr 2005 13:35

What is this ?

typ 129 :

1.demolition carrier (?)
2.vehicle for alternative fuel (gas) (?)

Thanks...
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Post by Leo Niehorster » 17 Apr 2005 14:10

Horch 8 "Gelände"
The Horch Werke produced five prototypes of the Horch 8 "Gelände" cross-country model by 1926. These were powered by a 65hp eight cylinder Horch engine of 3.6 liter capacity. The drive was taken to the rear four wheels; and the gearbox, having eight forward gears and two reverse gears, provided speeds ranging from 4kph to 70kph. Weiging 2680 kilos unladen, the vehicle could carry 2000 kilos.

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"German Military Transport of World War II"
Arms & Armour Press, London, 1975.
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Post by Leo Niehorster » 17 Apr 2005 14:27

"VW Schwimmwagen (Sondertype 129)"
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On 8 April 1942 personnel of the Panzer-Abteilung 300 took delivery of two VW Schimmwagen from the Porsche company in Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen. They were a variant of the Type 128 which was designated Sondertype 129 (Special Type 129).

On these vehicles the crew compartment was completely covered with sheet metal. An explosive charge was to be accommodated in the rear of the interior. The exhaust system was modified. Two vertically-arranged mufflers were shielded by rectangular metal casings. Takeoff-assist rockets could be attached on the left and right sides of the rear metal shield. These were supposed to be ignited shortly before the vehicle reached the river bank in order to provide it with the necessary impetus when it touched ground.

The Schwimmwagen Sondertype 129 was tested on the River Spree, in the course of which one vehicle was written off. The idea of employing the Schwimmwagen as an amphibious demolition vehicle was not pursued. The second vehicle was issued to Panzer-Versuchs- und Ersatz-Abteilung 300, where it was used for other purposes.

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ISBN 0-921991-58-4

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Post by MAX_theHitMan » 17 Apr 2005 17:06

8O "VW Schwimmwagen (Sondertype 129)"

Well...this is new to me.

These guys never seize to come up with special weapons of some sort.
Pretty amazing machine.
Too bad it didn´t quite work as well as they planned.

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Some easy identifications please...

Post by RalfAnton62 » 27 Apr 2005 21:08

In connection with the 60 Years for the end of the war I was asked to identify the following photographs for the neighboring priest's office. Would anybody be able to it under you since I hereby don't know particularly?

Thank you very much.

Also, they priest´s office thinks, they were taken in late 1944, but I for my self think, they were taken short after the campaing against france.


Photo 1:
Please take a look at the cars number plate What is that for a car and to where belongs the plate?

Photo 2:
What was the original Name of the Cannon and who was Producer of it?

Photo 3:

The Half Tracks looks to me somehow strange? Not sure why, please take also a look to this.

Any Hellp is very welcome.


Again: Thank you very much!



Best Regards


Ralf Anton Schäfer
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Post by RalfAnton62 » 27 Apr 2005 21:15

Here is Photo 2:
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Post by RalfAnton62 » 27 Apr 2005 21:16

And last one...
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Post by Bill Murray » 27 Apr 2005 21:57

Ralfalton:
Your passenger car is an Opel Admiral Cabriolet Sedan of 1938-1930 and rather rare.

The Number Plate is civilian, not military. I cannot find my listing of German civilian number plate identification but if I remember correctly, it was a mix of two to three letters and the letters denoted a city or an "area" such as a state or a county.

Because of the civilian plate, you may be correct that the picture was taken early in the war. By the time of the Russian campaigns, most German vehicles had been integrated into the military and had WH, WL, SS or such number plates. Most of the photos of vehicles with civilian plates in Russia were impressed/confiscated vehicles from France, Belgium, Holland etc.

As to the other two photos, I will leave it to the half track and artillery experts but both seem to me to also be very early war versions which would also support your idea that the photos were taken long before the priest thinks they were.
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Post by Patrice » 27 Apr 2005 22:21

Hello.
Photo two is a 15cm K18 barrel on the transporter.
Patrice.

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Post by Bill Murray » 27 Apr 2005 22:27

Hallo Patrice:

Well, I mixed up answers to two different boards, ie 1944 and Russia, but in any case, was not that piece of artillery pretty well gone by 1944? I still think the photos are a lot earlier than 1944.


Aha, Patrice, note also the lack of helmets on most of the men in the artillery photo.
Certainly not likely, 1944.
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Post by Patrice » 28 Apr 2005 08:03

Hello Bill, I also think that this photo was taken at the beginning of the war and can be even before this one,and by seeing uniforms( fatigue dress and as you said, no helmet), maybe during training.
On the picture 2 and 3 the Half-track seems to be Sd. Kfz.8 (12tons).
Here is a scan with some information on this cannon.
This scan of the book "Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the third Reich" of Gander and Chamberlain near the Editions Macdonald and Jane's-London.
Cheers Patrice.
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Post by jopaerya » 28 Apr 2005 14:28

Hi All

I think that the guns is a 21cm Mörser 18 , because on the foto of
Ralf Anton you can see that the barrel is bigger and not so long
as the 15cm K 18.

Regards Jos

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Post by tom! » 28 Apr 2005 14:45

Hi.

I think it´s a 21 cm Mörser 18, too.

In the upper left of the initial pic you can see the lafettes. They are surely from the 21 cm Mörser.
The wheels are in front of the recoil mechanism.
On the 15 cm howitzer/gun lafette the wheels are under the recoil mechanism.

from Lexikon der Wehrmacht:
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Yours

tom! :wink:

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Post by Patrice » 28 Apr 2005 15:29

Hello.
Jos and tom! you could be right, but here is the other one scan of the same book "Small Arms, Artillery and Special Weapons of the third Reich" showing a 21cm Mörser 18/19.
To you to judge, it is true that the length of the barrel looks more like a Mörser 21cm but the rest looks like the 15cm, specially the carriage with the top cradle and the recoil system.
Patrice
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Post by jopaerya » 28 Apr 2005 15:35

Hi Patrice

Its is the 21cm Mörser 18 not the 21cm Mörser 18/19 (t)
please see page 204/205 in your book.

Regards Jos

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