INFORMATION: Bunkers!

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Post by Erich » 11 Sep 2002, 23:36

Great photography my friend ! more please....... :) May I ask the location of the last three pics ? I see a village on the outskirts....

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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 21:00

I guess you are not familiar with our local places, but I made this map to show their position. There are several more, but those photos are on CD`s which I have packed and moved to my new house!

I`ll bring some back next time I get there!
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Post by A-Bomb » 12 Sep 2002, 22:03

Question. What kind of pillboxes were scattered through the low countries and france? Any pics? In books I have read it talks about scattered and well concealed pillboxes. How about pillboxes on the Siegfried Line? Ever heard of the forts in and around Metz and Loraine? Any one got pics of them? Thanks!
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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 23:17

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A very effective MG pos. much used in the low-countries were the 35P08
armoured cupolar mounted on various bunkers. Inside the cupolar, an MG-42 (or 34) were mounted on a track system, making it possible to turn 360 degrees. The bunker and cupolar were also gas-tight and very heavy armoured
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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 23:20

Hello!

A very effective MG pos. much used in the low-countries were the 35P08
armoured cupolar mounted on various bunkers. Inside the cupolar, an MG-42 (or 34) were mounted on a track system, making it possible to turn 360 degrees. The bunker and cupolar were also gas-tight and very heavy armoured
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Post by A-Bomb » 12 Sep 2002, 23:20

What was the most common bunker that Allied troops fought aganist on the western front? I mean when they say "pillbox" does it usually mean concrete fortification? Or could it mean just dug outs in the ground? How about those German forts? Know anything about them? thanks
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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 23:29

Another type often, for some reason, shows up near airfields.
It is actually the turret of a Pz II Flamingo (MG-34) or Pz38 (t)
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Post by Logan Hartke » 12 Sep 2002, 23:34

Erik E wrote:Another type often, for some reason, shows up near airfields.
It is actually the turret of a Pz II Flamingo (MG-34) or Pz38 (t)
They were popular because they took little training, were a turret, were pre-manufactured, mass-produced, and in large supply.

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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 23:40

Well, I guess pillbox could mean anything from a small "ringstand, to a massive bunker. I don`t know which type they used most, but the "Ringstand 51C" also called "Tobruk" is widely spread over all defencelines, and very common
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Post by Erik E » 12 Sep 2002, 23:45

They were popular because they took little training, were a turret, were pre-manufactured, mass-produced, and in large supply
Thanks for your input Logan! It makes sense, but I just can`t figure out why I have only seen this in connection with airfields...... Maybe becouse of the easy training you mentioned?? (I guess Luftwaffe had enough to do allready!)

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Post by A-Bomb » 13 Sep 2002, 00:18

Ok thanks. Does one man just stand up in those types of pillboxes?
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Post by Erik E » 13 Sep 2002, 00:22

Yes they do!!! Only his head and weapon will be visible. In some occations, a "roof is added" but that falls under the "sonderkonstruktion" terms, as it is not found on any regelbau drawings.......
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Post by A-Bomb » 13 Sep 2002, 00:25

Sweet! So thats the same thing just with a roof over it? It seems like the ones without a roof would be a waste, an easy target.
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Post by Erik E » 13 Sep 2002, 21:30

It seems like the ones without a roof would be a waste, an easy target.


True, but the soldiers attacking it would be even easier targets........

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Post by A-Bomb » 13 Sep 2002, 22:31

Not when your the USA, and you can spend 100 shells on one spot
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