Can anyone post a pre-war map showing the entire layout of the Dachau training camp , naming the different buildings , streets and training areas . This SS training camp /barracks (SS Ubungslager Dachau ) was very large complex and the Concentration Camp was just a small part of this facility. it was detroyed I think in 1948. There was also a set of approximately 30 postcards in a series showing this complex pre-war, needless to say the photocards are quite rare . Some SS photo albums show different parts of the camp in use in the background, if you have anything please add it in , thanks guys
Jim Toncar
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Jim,
Only the gate into the Uebungslager was demolished in 1948. The Uebungslager itself was used by the US military after the war for a number of purposes, including the trials of SS personnel. Eventually, I believe it was in 1972, they handed it back to Bavarian Ministry of the Interior and it became a police barracks. I believe it is still used in this role, housing the Bavarian Bereitschaftpolizei. Some of the factory buildings were demolished but the enlisted barracks and officers' quarters were refurbished.
The bulk of the concentration camp huts were demolished in the fifties after being used as a camp for displaced persons.
Derek
Only the gate into the Uebungslager was demolished in 1948. The Uebungslager itself was used by the US military after the war for a number of purposes, including the trials of SS personnel. Eventually, I believe it was in 1972, they handed it back to Bavarian Ministry of the Interior and it became a police barracks. I believe it is still used in this role, housing the Bavarian Bereitschaftpolizei. Some of the factory buildings were demolished but the enlisted barracks and officers' quarters were refurbished.
The bulk of the concentration camp huts were demolished in the fifties after being used as a camp for displaced persons.
Derek
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Derek,
My friend, Hmmm , I wonder why, if this is the case , there are no pictures of this famous concern available ? We see Tolz , Braunscheig and Wewelsburg, but I think U.B. Dachau was larger and a more complex military site ? Notice postings, nobody can add anything or even comment ? I have seen aerial views taken in 1945 of this site , it is un-believable, well I guess I must be the only one that knows anything about this ? you would think somebody in Germany has photographed this site at one time or another, as famous as it was, and lasted lasted this long ?
Jim Toncar
My friend, Hmmm , I wonder why, if this is the case , there are no pictures of this famous concern available ? We see Tolz , Braunscheig and Wewelsburg, but I think U.B. Dachau was larger and a more complex military site ? Notice postings, nobody can add anything or even comment ? I have seen aerial views taken in 1945 of this site , it is un-believable, well I guess I must be the only one that knows anything about this ? you would think somebody in Germany has photographed this site at one time or another, as famous as it was, and lasted lasted this long ?
Jim Toncar
Jim,
Here is a period map of the entire complex for you. Perhaps the reason you don't see photographs of the post-war camp is that as a security police establishment it is strictly off-limts to the public. There are some aerial views that show the camp buidings I mentioned being refurbished.
Derek
Here is a period map of the entire complex for you. Perhaps the reason you don't see photographs of the post-war camp is that as a security police establishment it is strictly off-limts to the public. There are some aerial views that show the camp buidings I mentioned being refurbished.
Derek
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Derek,
A very interesting map, indeed, this just proves how large this training camp was . Thank you for sharing it , quite a valuable piece of history .Just think of the units that either trained there or where stationed there " Deutschland Reg." , "SS Nurenburg Standarte" and of course the " Oberbayern" Totenkopf Standarte., not to mention the SS Officers family quaters.
I have in my possession the early tunics of Christian Tyschen ( Knights Cross /oakleaves winner) these items where taken from the U.B. Dachua officer quaters at the end of the war , next door to Tyschen lived "Otto Paetsch" another Knights Cross winner , his personal items where also taken from this same facility by the same vet .. I checked the BDC files and found out they both lived next door to each other . Oswald Pohls private residence was located in this camp. The amount of regalia that was at this camp must have been staggering , and yet " so litttle said or shown ? "
Jim
A very interesting map, indeed, this just proves how large this training camp was . Thank you for sharing it , quite a valuable piece of history .Just think of the units that either trained there or where stationed there " Deutschland Reg." , "SS Nurenburg Standarte" and of course the " Oberbayern" Totenkopf Standarte., not to mention the SS Officers family quaters.
I have in my possession the early tunics of Christian Tyschen ( Knights Cross /oakleaves winner) these items where taken from the U.B. Dachua officer quaters at the end of the war , next door to Tyschen lived "Otto Paetsch" another Knights Cross winner , his personal items where also taken from this same facility by the same vet .. I checked the BDC files and found out they both lived next door to each other . Oswald Pohls private residence was located in this camp. The amount of regalia that was at this camp must have been staggering , and yet " so litttle said or shown ? "
Jim
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Hi Jim:
Issue #27 of the UK WWII history magazine After the Battle reproduces an annotated arial photograph of the Dachau KZ/TWL area.
The book Dachau 29 April 1945 has a replica of a Jan.1943 SS map of the complex. The orginal map in in the Hoover Institute collections at Stanford, CA. I'm fortunate enough to have seen the original during my trip last summer to the Institute.
All buildings at the Dachau SS installation were identified with a number. The Hoover Institute also has a typewritten sheet of labels for each of the buildings. (e.g Building #125 = Jourhaus, #167 = Tower B, etc.)
Basically, the top left of the complex was the SS hospital and the W-SS/WVHA Administrative school, in the middle was the Prafix factories, the porcelain works, armaments workshops, the butchery, the W-SS ordnance school and barracks.
The southernmost area is SS officer housing; biscected by the "Street of the SS".
The railway branch split - one track going to the power plant by the SS hospital, the other branching eastward and ending at buildings #101 and #86 directly in front of the street to the KZ.
Immediately west of the KZ compound were the SS clothing factories where KZ inmate labor manufactured W-SS clothing and equipment. Dachau was a major clothing depot for the Waffen-SS, and when US troops liberated the facility on April 29th, 1945, they found literally thousands and thousands of SS collar tabs, insignia, cufftitles, etc. In fact "from Dachau stores" is a phrase used by scrupulous militaria dealers to establish the bone fides of the material they're trying to sell. It is also a phrase used by the unscrupulous dealers to unload their SS fakes make in Pakistan in 2001!
Not shown in the map you postage are the "plantage" - where many of the KZ prisoners worked, and the SS firing range at Herbertshausen (where many of them were shot) and westward to the Leiten mass grave site (where many of them were buried)
Issue #27 of the UK WWII history magazine After the Battle reproduces an annotated arial photograph of the Dachau KZ/TWL area.
The book Dachau 29 April 1945 has a replica of a Jan.1943 SS map of the complex. The orginal map in in the Hoover Institute collections at Stanford, CA. I'm fortunate enough to have seen the original during my trip last summer to the Institute.
All buildings at the Dachau SS installation were identified with a number. The Hoover Institute also has a typewritten sheet of labels for each of the buildings. (e.g Building #125 = Jourhaus, #167 = Tower B, etc.)
Basically, the top left of the complex was the SS hospital and the W-SS/WVHA Administrative school, in the middle was the Prafix factories, the porcelain works, armaments workshops, the butchery, the W-SS ordnance school and barracks.
The southernmost area is SS officer housing; biscected by the "Street of the SS".
The railway branch split - one track going to the power plant by the SS hospital, the other branching eastward and ending at buildings #101 and #86 directly in front of the street to the KZ.
Immediately west of the KZ compound were the SS clothing factories where KZ inmate labor manufactured W-SS clothing and equipment. Dachau was a major clothing depot for the Waffen-SS, and when US troops liberated the facility on April 29th, 1945, they found literally thousands and thousands of SS collar tabs, insignia, cufftitles, etc. In fact "from Dachau stores" is a phrase used by scrupulous militaria dealers to establish the bone fides of the material they're trying to sell. It is also a phrase used by the unscrupulous dealers to unload their SS fakes make in Pakistan in 2001!
Not shown in the map you postage are the "plantage" - where many of the KZ prisoners worked, and the SS firing range at Herbertshausen (where many of them were shot) and westward to the Leiten mass grave site (where many of them were buried)
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