Stuka zu Fuss - How was it used?

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Stuka zu Fuss - How was it used?

Post by RB » 26 May 2005 16:45

Hi,

I'm looking for information about the Wurfrahmen 40. (Sd.Kfz. 251 with 28/32 cm rockets)
How was it used? What was the process from the loading to the reloading? How many soldiers were needed for operating one vehicle?

How many of these were used during the Warsaw uprising?

Thanks a lot in advance!

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Post by FRANCY RITTER » 26 May 2005 17:10

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 26 May 2005 19:11

Francy Ritter, don't post material from other websites. This kind of plagarism is not allowed. I had to edit two other posts from you yesterday as well!

The story can befound at <http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/07/stuff_eng_herbst_stukazufuss.htm>

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Post by RB » 27 May 2005 08:19

Thanks for this posting, but what I'm really looking for is the method of usage of theas weapon-system.
What kind of units used them?
The procedure of their usage (from the loading to the reloading)

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Post by FRANCY RITTER » 27 May 2005 13:40

Christian Ankerstjerne wrote:Francy Ritter, don't post material from other websites. This kind of plagarism is not allowed. I had to edit two other posts from you yesterday as well!

The story can befound at <http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/magazine/2001/07/stuff_eng_herbst_stukazufuss.htm>

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Dear Christian

I wanted to help the friends of the forum in fast way and precise... I did not want to smash no rule and not to lack regarding nobody.

Sorry

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Wood

Post by medieval dudes » 27 May 2005 14:30

Good day
I am interested in the boxes containing the rockets!!! They seem to be made out of wood (I saw this on other pictures as well). Is this the case?
Gregory :)

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Post by medieval dudes » 27 May 2005 14:33

Here is an interesting picture I found:

http://www.tracks-n-troops.com/mirage/MIR35519.jpg

Does anyone have some information about this project? Never seen it before!
Greg :D

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Post by Trommelfeuer » 28 May 2005 12:05

...28/32cm Wurfrahmen auf Infanterieschlepper UE... [ UE 630(f) ]

sources:
http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/fotk ... ni/024.jpg
http://www.panzernet.net/panzernet/fotk ... ni/004.jpg

Here you can find some technical information and info about loading / firing of these "Heulende Kühe":
http://www.internetmodeler.com/2002/aug ... enault.htm
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Post by MaisAlto » 28 May 2005 14:06

"I am interested in the boxes containing the rockets!!! They seem to be made out of wood "

I would say metal...
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Post by Sun Tsu » 28 May 2005 14:55

MaisAlto wrote:"I am interested in the boxes containing the rockets!!! They seem to be made out of wood "

I would say metal...


I'd say it looks very much like wood...

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Post by Leo Niehorster » 28 May 2005 15:23

28/32cm Wurfkörper
The 28cm/32cm rockets – in keeping with the limitation of expenses concept – were stored and transported in their own crates. They could even be fired from them. The crates were open, boxed wooden frames, (in some cases metal was used instead of wood). The rockets, in their crates, were laid at an angle in a hole in the ground, on a mound, or even against a low wall facing their target. The crates had small hinged legs which were used to carry them strecher fashion, as well as to provide slight elevation corrections. A control box connected to the rocket with a cable was used for firing.

The 280mm rocket contained 50 kilos of TNT or amatol (Fp. 60/40). The 320mm rocket contained 38 liters of an incendiary liquid made from a mixture of petrol and diesel oil (40 kilos of Flammöl). The payload and the charge for firing the mixture (1.6 kilos N.P. 15) were in the front. The rockets for both weapons were in the rear, propelled by 6.5 kilos of solid diethylene glycol dinitrate (Digl. R.P. 8,2).

They could also be fired from
- schweres Wurfgerät 40 and 41
- 28/32cm Nebelwerfer 41
- schwerer Wurfrahmen 40 for SPW Sd.Kfz. 251
- schwerer Wurfrahmen for Infanterieschlepper UE, Gerät 630(f)

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Post by MaisAlto » 28 May 2005 19:08

These ARE metal...
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 28 May 2005 22:13

and these are made of wood... :P

( sorry I really don't remember where in three devil's name I found the photos...
hell, could even have been somwhere here in this forum....hmm....)

some more info in german: http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Waf ... werfer.htm


These ARE metal...


Yea, 32 cm Wurfkörper/Flammöl (?) taken from their wooden (or metal ? :wink: ) crates and loaded into the 28/32-cm-Nebelwerfer 41...or is it the 30-cm-Nebelwerfer 42 ? 8O

photos below:
stzufu.jpg : schweres Wurfgerät 41
stzufu2.jpg : schwerer Wurfrahmen 40 on Sd.Kfz. 251
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Post by Trommelfeuer » 28 May 2005 22:59

30 cm Wurfkörper 42 Spr. ( left )
32 cm Wurfkörper/Flammöl ( horzitontal )
35 cm Wurfkörper Spr. (right - Veruch 1945 )

( source: http://www.wehrtechnikmuseum.de/Noch_Fr ... naten.html )
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Post by Bill 13 » 28 May 2005 23:27

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From Field Rocket Equipment of thr German Army 1939-1945 Paraphrasing
"SWR40 Sd.Kfz251 or more commonly the 251/1 carried six 28/32cm rockets in thier crates on a frame designed to carry three per side. Each pivoting plate could be elevated between 5 and 45 degrees and a scale was provided for laying along with a clamp. The rockets were not loaded onto the Wurfrahmen until required. In transit the rockets were stored inside the vehicle. In action the vehicle was directed nose first towards the target brakes were applied, the crates (packkiste) loaded, the plate elevated to required evevation,clamped into position. The crew then retired to cover some 10 yards distance for firing."

Does not state crew size but with 6 rockets in back during transit it seems to limit crew size. Of course other crew members could be in the re-arm vehicles (mentioned as 251 or trucks) or drapped all over the SWR40 armed 251. Getting into conjecture here but many hands make light work. Also most pictures I have seen show it using the wooden crates none with the metal ones (could be I just have not seen enough pictures).

The MG's were retained and sometimes replaced with a 2cm KwK30 or KwK38 on the front.

Firing sequence was
1 3 5
Front-----
2 4 6

Bill
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P.S. http://www.members.shaw.ca/scotmod/4041b.html
short term to show both wood and metal crates (gone on or before 02 June 2005)
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