Section IV of German vehicles in the west

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Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by Ron Klages » 09 Jun 2005 19:14

To all interested persons,

As promised here is SECTION IV.- - Captured Equipment [285 units] on the Western Front

PzKpw. 35-S 739(f) [Somua] with 52 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
II./PR. 22 [21. PD] with 38 units [note: 3 of these are Befspzs.]
Pz. Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abt. 100 with 1 unit
Pz.Abt. 206 with 10 units
PJAbt. 657 with 2 units

JANUARY 1945:
Pz.Kp. 224 with 1 unit


PzKpw. 35H 735(f) [Hotchkiss] with 45 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
II./PR. 22 [21. PD] with 2 units
Pz. Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abt. 100 with 8 units
Pz.Abt. 206 with 28 units

JANUARY 1945:
Verts. Amsterdam with 4 units
Verts.Utrecht with 1 unit
4./Pz.Aufkl.Abt. with 2 units


PzKpw. 35R 731(f) [Renault] with 28 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
II./PR. 22 [21. PD] with 2 units
Pz. Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abt. 100 with 14 units

NOVEMBER 1944:
Pz.Auf.Abt. 9 [9.PD] with 4 units

JANUARY 1945:
K.V.A. Nord with 8 units


PzKpw. B2 740(f) [Char B2] with 24 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
Pz.Abt. 206 with 6 units
Pz. Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abt. 100 with 1 unit
PJAbt. 657 with 17 units


PzKpw. B2 (f) Flamm [Renault] with 9 units on the Western Front

JANUARY 1945:
Pz.Kp. 224 with 9 units


PzKpw. FT17(f) [Renault] with 5 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
Pz. Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abt. 100 with 5 units


PzKpw. M4 748(a) [Sherman] with 9 units on the Western Front

OCTOBER 1944:
Pz.Abt. 103 [3. PGD] with 1 unit
KG “X” [Panzer Brigade 150 ith 2 units

JANUARY 1945
14. Fsch. Rgt. [5. Fsch.JD] with 6 units


7.5cm Pak40 auf Hotchkiss with 23 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
StuG.Abt. 200 with 17 units

SEPTEMBER 1944:
PJAbt. 200 with 6 units


4.7cm Pak auf R35 with 6 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
PJAbt. 657 with 6 units


7.5cm Pak auf Lorraine [Marder I] with 8 units on the Western Front

SEPTEMBER 1944:
PJAbt. 719 [719. ID] with 7 units

JANUARY 1945:
PJAbt. 245 [245. ID] with 1 unit


15cm IG auf Lorraine with 12 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
Pz.Gren.Rgt. 125 [21.PD] with 6 units
Pz.Gren.Rgt. 192 [21.PD] with 6 units


15cm FH13 auf Lorraine with 12 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
Pz.Art.Rgt. 155 [21.PD] with 12 units

DECEMBER 1944:
Pz.Art.Rgt. 119 [11.PD] with 4 units


10.5cm FH18 auf Lorraine with 24 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
Pz.Art.Rgt. 155 [21.PD] with 24 units


10.5cm FH18 auf Hotchkiss with 24 units on the Western Front

JUNE 1944:
StuG. Abt. 200 with 24 units


Again all corrections and or sdditions are welcome. Let us discuss.

Best regards,

Ron Klages
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Shermans

Post by Bob_Mackenzie » 20 Jun 2005 18:42

Dear Ron

Captured American and British tanks under the German Flag by werner Regenburg pg 15 has a pic of a Sherman with german crosses

The Caption says that the 5th Fallschirmjager Div had 6 shermans in Jan 1945

Cheers

Bob

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Missed It

Post by Ron Klages » 20 Jun 2005 23:55

Hi Bob,

I checked several books and I found a picture of a single Sherman captured by 14. Fsch. Rgt. of the 5. Fsch. Div. and left at a corner by the Hotel des Ardennes ESCH-SUR-SURE. The Sherman was captured from US 707 Tank Battalion. I can find no reference to 6 Shermans in their possession however the 707 had 6 Shermans with the 105mm gun and 3 with the 75mm gun in the area. I will keep checking and probably include the 6 Shermans in my next update.

Thank you for the information,

Best regards,

Ron Klages

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by Jay Felsberg » 30 May 2012 23:23

I know this is an old post but I was wondering if anyone could answer a few questions:

1. There were 131 7.5cm auf Lorriane in France in 1944

2. There were 141 4.7cm auf Renualt in France in 1944

Where were they allocated?

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by EugE » 01 Jun 2012 21:40

Hi Jay!

I do not know about 1944, but on 31.12.43 they have been distributed as follows:
7.5cm auf Lorriane
343 ID - 5
348 ID - 9
158 Res.ID - 9
346 ID - 10
708 ID - 10
709 ID - 10
711 ID - 10
712 ID - 8
716 ID - 10
719 ID - 10
total: 91, 83 of them are ready for actions.

4.7cm auf Renualt
100 Panzer Ausbildungs und Ersatz Abteilung - 3
657 Panzer Jäger Abteilung - 6
18 LWFD - 8 or 10
156 Res.ID - 8
171 Res.ID - 10
191 Res.ID - 10
371 ID - 2
343 ID - 11
266 ID - 2
243 ID - 2
709 ID - 5
711 ID - 2
712 ID - 2
716 ID - 2
319 ID - 24
Feustungsstamm-SAbt. 1/XXV - 10
total: 107
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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by jpz4 » 01 Jun 2012 22:22

Interesting numbers EugE. Could you tell us where these numbers come from? I'm quite curious about some of the formations.

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by EugE » 01 Jun 2012 22:49

The book name is "Panzerjaeger evolution of the German tanks destroyers" - Russian edition.
Look for it and you will find it...

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by jpz4 » 01 Jun 2012 23:23

Thanks. Does it give its source for those numbers?
If not I hope someone knows more.

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by EugE » 11 Jun 2012 01:53

The author refers to the Central Archive of the Ministry of Defence of Russia, but doesn't specify what specifically files.
Look for it and you will find it...

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by jpz4 » 11 Jun 2012 11:00

Thanks for the answer. Good to know the information probably came from documents in a Russian archive. Explains why it hasn't turned up before.
Also seems quite possible the same documents also hold details on other vehicles than just Panzerjäger. Could be very useful in understanding the development of the training battalion in the last months before D-Day. I also wonder if these numbers could explain the presence of various stripped down 4,7cm (t) auf Renault 35 behind Utah Beach.
Finding these documents might be difficult though...

To finish, I understand there are three volumes to the Panzerjäger book series, which one has this information?

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by EugE » 12 Jun 2012 13:22

about 7.5cm auf Lorriane in France you can find in release 17 (part 3), and 4.7cm auf Renualt is in release 16 (part 1).
Look for it and you will find it...

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Re: Section IV of German vehicles in the west

Post by Jay Felsberg » 28 Jun 2013 20:49

TYTY EugE!!!!!!

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