Ostketten - Winterketten

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Ostketten - Winterketten

Postby RB » 16 Jun 2005 15:45

Hi,

What is the difference between Ostketten and Winterketten? Could you show me some pictures, which make it obvious?
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Postby Ace31 » 16 Jun 2005 19:35

From a previous discussion:

Wolfkin wrote: Winterketten

Winterketten were developed in 1942 for use in winter conditions on the Eastern Front. These were basically a normal track with track extensions that protruded from the ends of the tracks. These are recognizable by the long triangular extensions. These were usually found on the PzKpfw III, PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be seen on Hummel, Hornisse and other vehicles.

Ostketten

Ostketten were developed in 1944 for use in the muddy conditions in the Spring and Autumn on the Eastern Front, the Rasputitsa. These were basically a wider track than the usual track which was fitted. There were no triangular extensions, just a wider track. These were for use usually on the PzKpfw IV and StuG III but could also be found on other vehicles. When seen on the PzKpfw IV it looks like a PzKpfw V Panther track on a PzKpfw IV.

I hope this helps!

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Postby RB » 18 Jun 2005 17:24

Could someone send a photo about the ostketten?
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Postby Trommelfeuer » 18 Jun 2005 19:49

Madder Cat has posted a nice source for free pdf-files of some militär magazines in another threat about the RSO, check this one out:

http://www.betah.co.il/book_catalog.asp ... 20Vehicles

Look for Panzers In The East - (2) Decline And Defeat 1943-1945 <-- very interesting, lots of great photos...including some of AFVs equipped with Ostketten (( ...although in this e-book, Winterketten are described as tracks for the winter and since 1944 "special wider tracks were developed in 1944 based on the experience acquired through the use of Ostketten in the two previous winters"...!? )), here are two examples from this e-book, a pair of Hummeln (EDIT: equipped wit Winterketten) and a Stug IV equipped with Ostketten:
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Postby Ace31 » 18 Jun 2005 21:00

No photo but clear...
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Postby bryson109 » 18 Jun 2005 21:52

The hummel has Winterketten. But the StUg IV does in fact have Ostketten.

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Postby MaisAlto » 18 Jun 2005 22:13

Ostketten tracks
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Postby bryson109 » 18 Jun 2005 22:35

MaisAlto wrote:Ostketten tracks


Thoses are Winterketten tracks.

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Postby Trommelfeuer » 18 Jun 2005 23:46

One more Winterketten-photo:

( source: http://www.panzer-modell.de/referenz/fo ... /album.htm <-- although in this source it's identified as Ostketten...)
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Postby RB » 19 Jun 2005 08:50

Quite confusing...I do not really see too much difference between Ostketten & Winterketten...

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Postby herrlabe sr1 » 19 Jun 2005 15:57

The winterketten were bolted on and the ostketten were manufactured as wide tracks.

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Postby bryson109 » 19 Jun 2005 16:10

RB wrote:Quite confusing...I do not really see too much difference between Ostketten & Winterketten...

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Winterketten have extensions of the tracks, while Ostketten look like Panther and Tiger tank tracks.

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Postby H.v.Holdt » 19 Jun 2005 16:18

The winterketten were bolted on and the ostketten were manufactured as wide tracks.


I guess you mean the "blades" were bolted on?

Actually the "Winterketten" track links were one piece links. It was manufactured as an special "unilink", means same form for both sides.

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Postby Sander D » 19 Jun 2005 18:53

RB wrote :
Quite confusing...I do not really see too much difference between Ostketten & Winterketten...



Here you can see the differance between the winterkette and ostkette used on a stug.


So RB : The last picture is a panzer IV with, what for .........kette ost or winter,you get the point now


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Postby herrlabe sr1 » 20 Jun 2005 12:58

I stand corrected . i allways though they were bolted on as extentions for witteren.
As i looked at photos it is clear to me the difference is in the casting of track . The gripping bar on the winterketten is normal track width but on the ostketten it is much wider , almost width of whole track . look at pictures closely


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