Swiss Involvement in the Holocaust

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 29 Mar 2002 21:45

Has anyone got any information regarding Switzerlands role in the Holocaust, not the financial side?

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 30 Mar 2002 01:11

Their biggest crimes seem to be supplying the red dye used in flags, and not accepting every Jew who asked to be let during the war, the same way the US didn't.

You've surely heard that the largest of the financial allegations was shown by an international audit to have been simple slander.

Best
Dan

ziggy wiseman · Post by **ziggy wiseman** » 30 Mar 2002 22:21

They were stopped and drove back at the border.When trying to smuggle by the mountains,they were occasionally shot.

Andy H · Post by **Andy H** » 31 Mar 2002 11:39

A recent article in "The Economist" states "That they (Switzerland) contributed to the Holocaust by turning back about 20,000 refugees, at times discriminating against Jews. In August 1942 Switzerland closed it's borders for some months to those fleeing (as a police circular put it)"only because of thier race, Jews for example".

By this time the Swiss authorities new about the fate awaiting Jews etc turned back at the border.

The financial audit etc which started in 1996/7 Swiss Banks settled $1.25 billion court battle regarding their 'Involvement'.

Smiles · Post by **Smiles** » 03 Apr 2002 19:20

I thought their involment included allowing Nazi's to do banking there, ie. helping them launder and store their gains from the possesions of the Jew's. I just heard that somewhere, if someone wants to clarify.

Smiles

MadJim · Post by **MadJim** » 09 Apr 2002 16:26

Switzerland was black mailed into a settlement. In the now PC limp wristed world Switzerland was very bad not allowing the flotsam and jetsam of europe to overrun THEIR country.

The complaints of Jewish groups over the dormant accounts was also a crock.

Tarpon27 · Post by **Tarpon27** » 09 Apr 2002 16:46

In the now PC limp wristed world Switzerland was very bad not allowing the flotsam and jetsam of europe to overrun THEIR country.

Who exactly was the "flotsam and jetsam" of Europe?

Thorfinn · Post by **Thorfinn** » 09 Apr 2002 17:22

Who exactly was the "flotsam and jetsam" of Europe?

It was the jews. No country wanted them. That is why they were like debris that floated (some sunk) from nation to nation, and when one nation would kick them out, they would drift into another nation.

Roberto · Post by **Roberto** » 09 Apr 2002 17:40

Thorfinn wrote:
Who exactly was the "flotsam and jetsam" of Europe?
It was the jews. No country wanted them. That is why they were like debris that floated (some sunk) from nation to nation, and when one nation would kick them out, they would drift into another nation.

http://www.calvin.edu/academic/cas/gpa/story4.htm

Dan · Post by **Dan** » 09 Apr 2002 20:46

"Switzerland was black mailed into a settlement. In the now PC limp wristed world Switzerland was very bad not allowing the flotsam and jetsam of europe to overrun THEIR country."

Somewhat meanly worded, but the two words don't always have a bad meaning in English. I agree though that Jews don't have the right to eternally hate the Swiss for this, though. I didn't see Israel accepting any Tutsi's.

As far as some poor guy who was running from a government that wanted him for, at best, slave labour, it's a shame that Switzerland couldn't have set up some refugee camps for people like him. Still, Jews don't have any moral high ground on this issue.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 09 Apr 2002 22:09

Thorfinn wrote:
Who exactly was the "flotsam and jetsam" of Europe?
It was the jews. No country wanted them. That is why they were like debris that floated (some sunk) from nation to nation, and when one nation would kick them out, they would drift into another nation.

Sad but true. However, Jews are NOT the only "huddled masses yearning to be free" who have ever existed in the history of the world.

And disregarding today's troubles in the so-called Holy Land, where the Apartheid shoe seems to be on the other foot, I think we can surely learn to be a little more tolerant and open the next time, whether we are talking about the famine Irish, the Vietnamese boat people, or whomever.

But ignoring ethnic and class conflicts, or suppressing Thoughtcrime, will not make these problems go away.

Roberto · Post by **Roberto** » 10 Apr 2002 11:06

But ignoring ethnic and class conflicts, or suppressing Thoughtcrime, will not make these problems go away.

Well, the suppression of “Thoughtcrime”, however wrong an approach, is actually the suppression of calls for violent extremist solutions to ethnic and/or class conflicts. The intention, however inappropriately put into practice, is to further the peaceful solution of such conflicts by stifling those who would solve them the fast and dirty way.

mottii · Post by **mottii** » 10 Apr 2002 11:47

They allowed a death train carrying people from italy to pass
through switzerland on the way to the final solution.

Scott Smith · Post by **Scott Smith** » 10 Apr 2002 13:08

mottii wrote:They allowed a death train carrying people from italy to pass
through switzerland on the way to the final solution.

What's a "Death Train"?

For that matter, the definition in such context of the Final Solution is teleological.

mottii · Post by **mottii** » 10 Apr 2002 14:42

When the last stop is auschwitz it is a death train.

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