15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

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15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

Post by him.rudkjoebing » 04 Oct 2005 08:17

Hi.

I am looking for information, photos etc. of the 15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell PzKpfw II, or in other words the version mounted on the rebuild hull of the Panzer II, and the units in which it served.

According to "Encyclopedia of German Tanks of w.w. II", only 12 were build and all went to N. Africa in early 1942, equipping SIG Company 707 & 708.

A rare beast indeed, but I am eagerly looking for information on both the vehicle and the units, hoping someone out there is in a position to help me.

Thanking You in advance

Henrik

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 04 Oct 2005 08:30

You mean this vehicle?

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Post by him.rudkjoebing » 05 Oct 2005 09:31

Bang on the sport, Christian! That is the one in question. Anything more ? or is it too rare a beast ? (By the way is it a "Bison" ?)

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Henrik

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Post by bryson109 » 05 Oct 2005 16:15

him.rudkjoebing wrote:Bang on the sport, Christian! That is the one in question. Anything more ? or is it too rare a beast ? (By the way is it a "Bison" ?)

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The vehicle has been refered to as 'Sturmpanzer II Bison', I have also heard 'Bison II'. But both names are incorrect. 15cm sIG33 auf Fahrgestell PzKpfw II (Sf) is the correct name as far as I know.

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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 05 Oct 2005 17:37

And, aside from this, Bison is incorrect for any German vehicle.

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Post by him.rudkjoebing » 12 Oct 2005 12:54

Dear Ekke.

Thank you for the pictures, especially the last one - I know the first but the second, showing the vehicle in N. Africa, is most useful.

Now I "only" need information on unit markings etc.

Thank you all.

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Post by Heimatschuss » 05 Aug 2006 10:46

Hello,

I think this is the correct thread to drop some pictures of the 15cm sIG33 auf Fahrgestell PzKpfw II (Sf) (occasionally mislabled 'Bison II') en route to Africa.
Pictures were taken on Oct.1st, 1941 according to the archive.
Sources: http://www.ullsteinbild.de, Bildnummer 00742508 and Bildnummer 00742505


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Post by David W » 05 Aug 2006 13:59

I have got a couple of coloured illustrations from books if you like.

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Post by Ron Klages » 07 Aug 2006 17:51

Henrik,

Here is some additional information on the 15cm s.I.G.33 B Selbstfahrlafette.

Alkett completed 7 in December 1941 and 5 in January 1942.

Six were assigned to s.I.G.Kp.(mot S) 707 and Six were assigned s.I.G.Kp.(mot S) 708.

The six for s.I.G.Kp.(mot S) 708 were shipped to North Africa first arriving at Tripoli in February 1942 while the six for s.I.G.Kp.(mot S) 707 were shipped to North Africa until April 1942.

Both units were assigned to leichte Infanterie Regiments in the 90. leichte Division.
The division reported that because of weak engines they were unusable in Africa. On 30 August 1942, a Waffenamt liaison officer reported that the vehicle was greatly overloaded and as a result the engine immediately overheated and the vehicle was too unmaneuverable.

Panzer-Armee Afrika reported that 8 were still available on 23 October 1942 for the battle at El ASlamein but by 2 December 1942 it was reported that all 8 had been lost.

British forces found six of them in a dismantled condition in a tank workshop that had been overrun.

Source of above information is Jentz's Panzer Tracts No. 10.

An interesting side note:

I came across an photo and article that the Egyptains had used one in the 1967 war with Israel. They must have put one together from the six that had been left behind in 1942.

Another German quick fix that did not work.

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Post by Heimatschuss » 14 Aug 2006 22:16

Hello,

another picture from http://www.62vgd.com/picturepage.htm

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Re: 15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

Post by David W » 23 Sep 2013 23:57

Any idea of speed and range compared to the PzKfWg II? (movement range, not gun range!)

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Re: 15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 24 Sep 2013 21:02

The Datenblatt states the range on road as 220 km and the range on medium terrain as 150 km. This is the base figures for the Pz Kpfw II chassis, adjusted for the larger fuel tank, as was common for self-propelled guns, so it should be taken with a grain of salt considering the extra 1½ tons.

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Re: 15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

Post by David W » 24 Sep 2013 23:00

Hello Christian.

Good to hear from you again. Thanks for that.

David.

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Re: 15 cm sIG auf Fahrgestell II

Post by tigre » 24 Dec 2016 14:17

Hello to all :D; little more....................................

15 cm sIG 33 auf Fahrgestell Panzerkampfwagen II (Sf).

The standard chassis was lengthened by 60 centimetres (24 in), which required adding a sixth roadwheel, and widened by 32 centimetres (13 in) to better accommodate the gun while preserving its low silhouette. 15 millimetres (0.59 in) plates formed the front and sides of the open-topped fighting compartment, which was also open at the rear.

Twelve were built at the end of 1941 and shipped to North Africa in early 1942 where they formed schwere Infanteriegeschütz-Kompanie (mot.S.) (“Heavy Self-propelled Infantry Gun Company”) 707 and 708.

Sources: http://historyinfotos.com/2016/05/09/sturmpanzer-ii/
http://www.ebay.de/itm/I32-Sturmpanzer- ... rmvSB=true
http://www.ebay.de/itm/I42-Sturmpanzer- ... rmvSB=true

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