German Muslims in Wehrmacht?

[Helmut Von Moltke]

Did any Muslims who were German serve in the Wehrmacht?

[Mehmet Fatih]

Did any Muslims who were German serve in the Wehrmacht?

http://www.turkhaber.org/30.html

This link is about Turkestan Legion.According to this link, the legion was commanded between October 1944- December 1944 by an SS-Standartenführer called Harun Rashid.The officer is said to be a Turk who went Germany during WW1 and settled there after the war.It seems a bit unrealistic cause they wouldnt accept a Turk in SS.At least he wouldnt achieve a rank this high.So this Harun Rashid is probably a muslim German with a muslim name.
I have no idea about muslim Germans in Wehrmacht.But i am sure there were Germans in Wehrmacht with muslim beliefs.Although it is a work of fiction, i remember a muslim comrade of Sven Hassel in his books.

Regards

[Daniel Laurent]

Did any Muslims who were German serve in the Wehrmacht?

Muslims served in the Wehrmacht as well as the Waffen SS but none of them was German.
Make a search here about Handsharr for details.
Beside them, few Arabs served in France, Arab Legion.

Regards
Daniel

[Mehmet Fatih]

Muslims served in the Wehrmacht as well as the Waffen SS but none of them was German.

How can you know that?
There can be Muslim Germans in Wehrmacht.Although Islam was not a major religion in Third Reich, there could be German minority who accepte Islam as their religion.

Regards

[Daniel Laurent]

How can you know that?
There can be Muslim Germans in Wehrmacht.Although Islam was not a major religion in Third Reich, there could be German minority who accepte Islam as their religion.Regards

German nationals being muslims in 1938

Show me

Regards
Daniel

[jarek_g]

Harun-el-Rashid Bey was really Wilhelm Hintersatz.

Wilhelm Hintersatz was born 26. 06. 1886 in Senftenberg. In 1 ww served as instructor in Turkish army . There also accepted Mussulman faith and receive new name Harun-el-Raschid Bey.
In II ww served in Heer as Major.
23.08.1944 pass to Waffen SS,
24.08.1944 was SS-Sturmbannführer.
1.09.1944 promoted to SS-Obersturmbannführer,
20.09.1944 Himmler charged him command new unit - Osttürkische Waffen-Verband der SS,
1.10.1944 promoted to SS-Standartenführer.
30. 12. 1944 discharged after mass - escape to partisans in Slovakia group soldiers of Waffengruppe „Krim" (commanded by Waffen-Obersturmführer Gulam Alimov) .
Further fates I don’t known.
Bestreg.
Jarek

[Mehmet Fatih]

Harun-el-Rashid Bey was really Wilhelm Hintersatz.

Wilhelm Hintersatz was born 26. 06. 1886 in Senftenberg. In 1 ww served as instructor in Turkish army . There also accepted Mussulman faith and receive new name Harun-el-Raschid Bey.
In II ww served in Heer as Major.
23.08.1944 pass to Waffen SS,
24.08.1944 was SS-Sturmbannführer.
1.09.1944 promoted to SS-Obersturmbannführer,
20.09.1944 Himmler charged him command new unit - Osttürkische Waffen-Verband der SS,
1.10.1944 promoted to SS-Standartenführer.
30. 12. 1944 discharged after mass - escape to partisans in Slovakia group soldiers of Waffengruppe „Krim" (commanded by Waffen-Obersturmführer Gulam Alimov) .
Further fates I don’t known.
Bestreg.
Jarek

jarej_g,

Thanks for this wonderful piece of information.
I just wonder, how on earth could you found this info about him.

Regards

[Daniel Laurent]

jarej_g,
Thanks for this wonderful piece of information.
I just wonder, how on earth could you found this info about him.
Regards

I also wonder... congratulation, Jaraj, you got me

However, we have one German Muslim. We would need another one to justify the title of this thread: German Muslims in Wehrmacht
Or was he the exception to confirm the rule?
Regards
Daniel

[Mehmet Fatih]

jarej_g,
Thanks for this wonderful piece of information.
I just wonder, how on earth could you found this info about him.
Regards

I also wonder... congratulation, Jaraj, you got me

However, we have one German Muslim. We would need another one to justify the title of this thread: German Muslims in Wehrmacht
Or was he the exception to confirm the rule?
Regards
Daniel

Oh Daniel, you are never satisfied. Eh?

Regards

[Daniel Laurent]

Oh Daniel, you are never satisfied. Eh?
Regards

Sorry, I am French
In France, bringing a polite and peacefull polemic between gentlemen up to the extreme end is considered as a very entertaining mental exercise.
And, as I am not getting younger, I like to give to my old brain some exercise before it shrinks too much.
So we have ONE German Muslim in the Wehrmacht
For the "s", we need two
By the way, like waffen_für _alle, I would really like to know *where* you got this information.
Regards
Daniel

[EdgarM]

Anyone who has done research on muslim formations during WWII should have come across Harun-el-Rashid Beys name. It only took me a few minutes to find reference to him in Antonio Munoz' 'Forgotten Legions'.

A good friend of my father's was a Felgendarme with both Prinz Eugen and Handschar. I have countless stories from him of his service. He spoke of a driver in his Trupp, Sturmann Nadzic, who was born near Munich, emigrated to Yugoslavia as a child and converted to Islam upon the remarriage of his mother to a muslim after his father's death. I'm sure similar situations were probably quite common as so many Germans emigrated to the Balkans and eastern Europe before the second world war.

I'm in the process of transferring my notes on our friend's experiences to something approaching readable. As I do some further digging, this subject might be of interest as I have never really seen it covered.

Edgar

[Ken S.]

Any information on?:

Ibrahim Mohammed ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Ysselsteyn.
Endgrablage: Block CT Reihe 3 Grab 67
Nähere Informationen zu diesem Friedhof erhalten Sie hier.
Name und die persönlichen Daten des Obengenannten sind auch im Gedenkbuch der Kriegsgräberstätte verzeichnet. Sie können gern einen Auszug bei uns bestellen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass auf einigen Friedhöfen nicht die aktuelle Version ausliegt, somit kann der Name Ihres Angehörigen darin evtl. noch nicht verzeichnet sein.
Nachname: Mohammed
Vorname: Ibrahim
Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 30.06.1943


Djuma Hussein ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Heilbronn-Wollhausstrasse.
Endgrablage: Block 10 Reihe 8 Grab 84
Nähere Informationen zu diesem Friedhof erhalten Sie hier.
Name und die persönlichen Daten des Obengenannten sind auch im Gedenkbuch der Kriegsgräberstätte verzeichnet. Sie können gern einen Auszug bei uns bestellen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass auf einigen Friedhöfen nicht die aktuelle Version ausliegt, somit kann der Name Ihres Angehörigen darin evtl. noch nicht verzeichnet sein.
Nachname: Hussein
Vorname: Djuma
Dienstgrad: Soldat
Geburtsdatum: 1923
Geburtsort: Safad
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 17.04.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet


there are also a few more with the surname "Mohamed".

[ninoo]

Two Abwehr agents:
Johannes Eppler, aka Husain Gaafar. He was a haj and taken part in Kondor Operation. Born from a German parent in Egypt, his mother later married with an Egyptian lawyer, who adopted him and raise him as a Muslim.
Ahmed Jabr, a German Palestinian. I don't know if he was Muslim except that his name sound a Muslim one. He was with Rahn during a German attempt to strengthed their's position during adventure in Iraq and Levant

[Kurtsuljo]

Any information on?:

Ibrahim Mohammed ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Ysselsteyn.
Endgrablage: Block CT Reihe 3 Grab 67
Nähere Informationen zu diesem Friedhof erhalten Sie hier.
Name und die persönlichen Daten des Obengenannten sind auch im Gedenkbuch der Kriegsgräberstätte verzeichnet. Sie können gern einen Auszug bei uns bestellen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass auf einigen Friedhöfen nicht die aktuelle Version ausliegt, somit kann der Name Ihres Angehörigen darin evtl. noch nicht verzeichnet sein.
Nachname: Mohammed
Vorname: Ibrahim
Dienstgrad: Unteroffizier
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 30.06.1943


Djuma Hussein ruht auf der Kriegsgräberstätte in Heilbronn-Wollhausstrasse.
Endgrablage: Block 10 Reihe 8 Grab 84
Nähere Informationen zu diesem Friedhof erhalten Sie hier.
Name und die persönlichen Daten des Obengenannten sind auch im Gedenkbuch der Kriegsgräberstätte verzeichnet. Sie können gern einen Auszug bei uns bestellen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass auf einigen Friedhöfen nicht die aktuelle Version ausliegt, somit kann der Name Ihres Angehörigen darin evtl. noch nicht verzeichnet sein.
Nachname: Hussein
Vorname: Djuma
Dienstgrad: Soldat
Geburtsdatum: 1923
Geburtsort: Safad
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 17.04.1944
Todes-/Vermisstenort: nicht verzeichnet


there are also a few more with the surname "Mohamed".

Do you have anymore names?+do you have an idea which unit they possibly belonged to?

Thanks.

[ninoo]

Another name given by David Motadel: Major Muhammed Taufiq Killenger, a retired German army officer and convert to Islam. Served in Islam office (also Referat 11) of SS-FHA under SS- Hauptsturmführer Reiner Olzscha. It seem he was a same person with Frans Pavel Vaclav Killinger aka Muhammed Tewfig Killinger, an Austrian-Hungary officer who served under the Ottoman army dring WW1. However, his Wikipedia profile said that most sources told he already died in 1936.