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Post by Juanjo » 19 Dec 2005 13:46

Hi Georgien

Tamara II were created in 1941 for the Abwehr but under the direction of OKH. 80 georgiens maked up the unity for to do sabotage´s operations.
CO.: Leutnant Dr. Kramer (member of the Abwehr II)
Second CO.: Dr. Hauffe (member of the Abwehr II)

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 19 Dec 2005 15:07

jopaerya wrote:Hi All

In a German report from mid 1945 , I red that the Russ. Brig. 599
was in Denmark and had 2 Gren.Regt to it's disposal .

Aufkl.Abt. 1599 (r)
Gren. Regt. 1605 (r)
Gren. Regt. 1607 (Kauk.)
Pz.Jg.Kp. 599 (r)
Art.Abt. 1599 (r)
Pi.Kp. 599 (r)
Nachr.Kp. 1599 (r)
And also some Ung. units

In "Tessin" Russiche Brigade 599 a part of the
"Russischen Befreiungarmee" from Gen.Wlassows

Gren. Regt. 1604 (r) later bei Prenzlau ( Hgr. Weichel )
Gren. Regt. 1605 (?)
Gren. Regt. 1607 (Armen.)
Art.Abt. 1599

Are the troops of Gren. Regt. 1607 Kaukasich or Armenisch ?

Regards Jos

Hello Dear Jos!

Where did you find this interesting information???
Could you show us your sources?

As I know Gren. Reg.1607 was Russian or Caucasia, but may be some Armenians too.

All the best,
Eduard

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Post by Georgien » 19 Dec 2005 17:56

Dear Juanjo,

Thanks a lot for very interesting info. Can you please tell me what was OKH? And are there any info on Dr Kramer and Dr. Hauffe?

Thanks again Juanjo!

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Post by jopaerya » 19 Dec 2005 18:01

Hello Eduard

The info is from BAMA RW 38/175

Regards Jos

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Post by Juanjo » 20 Dec 2005 02:47

Hi Georgien

OKH: Oberkommando das Heer
I´m sorry but I don´t have any info on Kramer and Hauffe, only I know his names.

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Post by Juanjo » 03 Jan 2006 00:36

Anyone know some info on these officers of the Sonderverband Bergmann:

Kerim-Sade
2nd leutnant Msvenieradze (georgian)
2nd leutnant Ljanov (azerbaidjan)
2nd leutnant Aliskirov (azerbaidjan)
2nd leutnant Sachverdian (armenian)
2nd leutnant Alimbarasvili (georgian)
2nd leutnant Okroperidze (georgian)
2nd leutnant Dadiani (georgian)
2nd leutnant Cacavadze (georgian)
2nd leutnant Vasnazde (georgian)
2nd leutnant Aliev (azerbaidjan)
2nd leutnant Aliskirov (azerbaidjan)
2nd leutnant Sarkijan (armenian)
2nd leutnant Nogaev (tscherkes)
2nd leutnant Karakedov (karachai)
Dr. Gogitidze (georgian)
Dr. Kerimov (azerbaidjan)

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Post by Michi » 06 Jan 2006 22:09

russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo).

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GrenRgt 1607 (kauk.)[formed am 27th March 1945]
CO GrenRgt 1607:
CoS:
CO I./GrenRgt 1607:
CO II./GrenRgt 1607:
CO III./GrenRgt 1607:
Stabs Kp. <--- 5.(Georg.)/Kf.Trsp. Rgt 23
I./1607 <--- Georg. Btl. 799
II./1607 <--- Nordkauk. Btl. 836
III./1607 <--- II./SdVerb "Bergmann" (Azerb.) & I./111 (Azerb.)
13 (IG) Kp. and 14 (Pz.Jg.) Kp. <--- Armenians
The GrenRgt 1607 was a Caucasian unit

You can read very often that the russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo) was part of the
ROA (Vlasov's Army); but that is wrong.
The russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo) was always a part of the German army.
Only the Gren.Rgt. 1604 (russ.) was -after fighting at the eastern front for
some weeks- transformed into the ROA.



MfG Michi

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 13 Jan 2006 23:32

Juanjo

Leutnant Sarkisian was killed during the battle for Perekop. He was a commander of 11th Armenian Coy "Bergmann".
Leutnant Sachverdian - I know, that he just was a commander of Armenian special platoon "Bergstrager" of SV Bergmann from march to September 1942.
leutnant Aliskirov (azerbaidjan) was killed during the Warshau uprising.
leutnant Alimbarasvili (georgian) was killed in Yugoslavia in the end of 1944.
leutnant Ljanov (azerbaidjan) was a commander of 7th Azeri Coy.
leutnant Nogaev (tscherkes) was a commander of 12th (kauk.) Coy. (shooted by Soviets in 1946.)

I hope, that my info will help ypu

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 13 Jan 2006 23:38

Michi wrote:russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo).

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GrenRgt 1607 (kauk.)[formed am 27th March 1945]
CO GrenRgt 1607:
CoS:
CO I./GrenRgt 1607:
CO II./GrenRgt 1607:
CO III./GrenRgt 1607:
Stabs Kp. <--- 5.(Georg.)/Kf.Trsp. Rgt 23
I./1607 <--- Georg. Btl. 799
II./1607 <--- Nordkauk. Btl. 836
III./1607 <--- II./SdVerb "Bergmann" (Azerb.) & I./111 (Azerb.)
13 (IG) Kp. and 14 (Pz.Jg.) Kp. <--- Armenians
The GrenRgt 1607 was a Caucasian unit

You can read very often that the russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo) was part of the
ROA (Vlasov's Army); but that is wrong.
The russ. Gren.Brig. 599 (bo) was always a part of the German army.
Only the Gren.Rgt. 1604 (russ.) was -after fighting at the eastern front for
some weeks- transformed into the ROA.



MfG Michi

WOW!
Nice info, espessialy about Armenian Co-s. As I know, In Denmark worked just 1 Armenian Bau-Ko.
Where did you find this nice diagram of russ. Gren. Brig. 599?

All the Best,
Ed.

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BERGMANN by Eduard Abramian

Post by kindzjal » 11 Feb 2006 14:17

I've just received the book Bergmann,written by our forum member "Armenische Legionar".
I think this is the BEST book about the caucasian unit "Bergmann" .
A lot of very interresting info, great lecture.
THANX "A. L." You 've done a great job !
I hope that someday the book will be published in English, so our friends from Europe and the USA can read it too :)
Again "Armenische Legionar" THANKS a LOT !

Best reg.

Kindzjal

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Post by Larry D. » 11 Feb 2006 14:28

There is an alternative option for those who read German but not Armenian:

JELOSCHEK, Richter, Schütte and Semler. Freiwillige vom Kaukasus: Georgier und Tschetschenen auf deutscher Seite - Der “Sonderverband Bergmann” unter Theo Oberländer. 2003. 374p. 80 illustrations.

This is a very detailed work on Bergmann and I can't imagine that much was left out.

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Post by Juanjo » 11 Feb 2006 19:32

Book in spanish:

"Comandos en el Caucaso: La Unidad Especial Bergmann" writed by Carlos Caballero, 287 pag., 1995

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Post by lato » 12 Feb 2006 09:16

and unfortunatly, no book in french about this ...

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Post by Armenische_Legionar » 13 Feb 2006 19:56

Jeloschek and Richter helped me with some more materials.

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Post by kindzjal » 06 Feb 2008 23:02

Hello everybody ,
I've some new questions:

During the war there was the so called "Nordkaukasisches Komitee" in Berlin . Those people were responsible for the propaganda and other political actions, among the Nort Caucasian volunteers.

Does somebody know the names of those people, and what happened with them after 1945 ?
Is it true that the leader of the North Caucasian Comittee was an Ossetian: Lazar Bicherahov ? Or was it somebody else ?

http://ossetians.com/eng/news.php?newsi ... e237472e83

Was Vassan Giray Jabbagi (Cabbagi) a member of that Comittee ? I have found some information about him, unfortunally it's in Turkish and my Turkish is not so good...

http://www.waynakh.com/ata_gcabagi.htm

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