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Female russian snipers..

Post by boko123 » 17 Nov 2005 05:41

Hey all ,, i heard about there being russian female snipers in ww2 and was wondering if anybody had any infomation about them.. Also does any body no how they were treated by enemy forces if they were captured or encounted.

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Re: Female russian snipers..

Post by POSTOYAN » 17 Nov 2005 09:38

boko123 wrote:Hey all ,, i heard about there being russian female snipers in ww2 and was wondering if anybody had any infomation about them.. Also does any body no how they were treated by enemy forces if they were captured or encounted.
I was trying to find some informatiom about female snipers.
I have found the site with some pics.
http://www.wio.ru/galgrnd/sniper/sniper.htm

Enemy forces and Red Army never took a snipers as POW, both of them were killing ones.

Pavlichenko Ludmila (hero of the SU)
12.7.1916 - 27.10.1974

Pavlichenko - the sniper of 25 Shooting division,Seaside Army,North Caucasian Front, the lieutenant.
Was born on July,12,1916 in settlement White Church(now part of Kiev,Ukraine)
in family of the employee.Russian.Has ended Kiev State University.
The participant of Great Domestic War since june 1941 - the volunteer.
Has been a sniper.Since August 1941 in structure of a division partisipates in defense city of Odessa. Then-Sevastopol-naval base on the Black Sea. By July 1942 from a sniper rifle has destroyed 309 enemy soldiers. She has brought up ten good snipers,which have exterminated not one hundred Hitler men.
Her rifle was SVT-40,semi-automatic.
Rank of the Hero of SU with the delivery of an awards Lenin and a medal "Golden Star " was given October 25,1943.
I do hope coud help.

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Post by Dmitry » 17 Nov 2005 13:58

http://www.iremember.ru/index_e.htm
Here you can find memoirs of Soviet female snipers Antonina Kotliarova and Klavdia Kalugina

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Post by Askold » 05 Dec 2005 00:09

What exactly makes Pavlichenko Russian? She is Ukrainian by birth and nationality.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 05 Dec 2005 01:09

belongs to "that (admittedly off-topic) experiment"
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Post by Askold » 06 Dec 2005 19:15

If she was her last name would probably be something like "Chingizhanova" :)

Can you prove me otherwise?

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 06 Dec 2005 19:54

belongs to "that (admittedly off-topic) experiment"
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Post by VDV » 07 Dec 2005 08:04

Askold, why is it of such importance to you what nationality she was? Personally, I could care less.

What do you have a problem with: Postoyan's post or the HSU book where that bio was published? If it's with the book, contact the publisher and express your concerns.. of course you may want to also make a note of all the other Russians with last names ending in KO.

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Post by Askold » 07 Dec 2005 18:35

This forum is about learning WWII history and in many cases dispelling old myths. There is many cases where Russians would like to take ethnic Ukrainian idividual who is famous in one way or another and portray him as a Russian.

P.S. I have not problem with Postoyan's post, I simply pointed out that the sniper was Ukrainian.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 07 Dec 2005 19:43

belongs to "that (admittedly off-topic) experiment"
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Post by VDV » 07 Dec 2005 22:43

I simply pointed out that the sniper was Ukrainian
How are you so sure.. did you know her personally? And again, why is the question of nationality so important to you?

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Post by Askold » 08 Dec 2005 19:41

Oleg:

Are you arguing for the sake of arguing? What is the point of your remarks?

VMD:
Read my previous post.

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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 08 Dec 2005 20:59

belongs to "that (admittedly off-topic) experiment"
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Post by gewehrdork » 10 Dec 2005 07:20

On the whole ; I find it hard to believe there is terribly much truth about "exploits" of female snipers on the ostfront. Way too much goofy communist propaganda going on to know for certain the actualities of this subject.
An insightful example of soviet sniping propaganda is when a british sniper met a soviet sniper and took the russian to a military range to shoot with him. The british officer was totally dismayed at the lack of weapons knowledge and lack of understanding of use of optically sighted rifles. Rack that up to jingoistic soviet propaganda.
No doubt there had to be effective russian snipers - sadly most were killed in the ost front meat grinder. That the soviets needed such heros and created them when they felt necessary is a given fact.

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Post by Kunikov » 10 Dec 2005 16:01

gewehrdork wrote:On the whole ; I find it hard to believe there is terribly much truth about "exploits" of female snipers on the ostfront. Way too much goofy communist propaganda going on to know for certain the actualities of this subject.
An insightful example of soviet sniping propaganda is when a british sniper met a soviet sniper and took the russian to a military range to shoot with him. The british officer was totally dismayed at the lack of weapons knowledge and lack of understanding of use of optically sighted rifles. Rack that up to jingoistic soviet propaganda.
No doubt there had to be effective russian snipers - sadly most were killed in the ost front meat grinder. That the soviets needed such heros and created them when they felt necessary is a given fact.
That's an insightful generalization, can you expand on where you found this account and who this sniper was?

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