General der Flieger Karl Koller

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General der Flieger Karl Koller

Post by ritterpanzer » 30 Dec 2005 12:55

Hi!
I would like to know if this officer did receive the Verwundetenabzeichen 20.07.1944 in Schwarz, Silber or Gold (Wounded in the 20 July1944 Bomb Plot Against Hitler, in Hospital and Führer-Reserve ;20 Jul 1944-31 Oct 1944).
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 30 Dec 2005 14:29

He died on his wounds. Therefore: gold

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Post by Walter Model » 30 Dec 2005 15:44

No, no. Karl Koller wasn´t in Wolfsschanze when the bomb exploded. The general you´re talking about was Günther Korten, he was replaced after his death by Werner Kreipe as Chef der Generalstabs der Luftwaffe and the last Chef was Karl Koller (12 Nov 1944-8 May 1945).

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Post by VJK » 30 Dec 2005 16:51

Hi!
It was, of course, Korten who died of his wounds after July 20, however Koller was there in his capacity as Chief of the LW Operations Staff, was wounded and was awarded the Verwundetenabzeichen 20.07.1944 in Schwarz. Source: ABR
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Post by Dieter Zinke » 30 Dec 2005 16:55

Walter Model wrote:No, no. Karl Koller wasn´t in Wolfsschanze when the bomb exploded. The general you´re talking about was Günther Korten, he was replaced after his death by Werner Kreipe as Chef der Generalstabs der Luftwaffe and the last Chef was Karl Koller (12 Nov 1944-8 May 1945).
Model, you are right.
But I' m sure, the general ritterpanzer has to ask was Korten. Ritterpanzer and myself were both mistaken with the name.

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Post by Walter Model » 30 Dec 2005 17:17

There were 25 people in the room where the bomb exploded but not Koller. So where was he in this moment? Somewhere outside?

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 01 Jan 2006 11:16

VJK wrote:Hi!
....... however Koller was there in his capacity as Chief of the LW Operations Staff, was wounded and was awarded the Verwundetenabzeichen 20.07.1944 in Schwarz. Source: ABR
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VJK
Koller was definitively not in the "Führerbaracke" when the bomb exploded. Therefore he could not receive the special wound badge.
The Luftwaffe-officers were:
General der Flieger Korten, General der Flieger Bodenschatz, Oberst i.G. Nicolaus von Below, Major i.G. Herbert Büchs (later Generalleutnant/Bundesluftwaffe).

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Post by Alecci » 01 Jan 2006 22:22

I cannot find the text at this time, but I read that Koller was actually in Paris, he threatened von Stülpnagel with having the Luftwaffe troops under his command to intervene if the latter did not withdraw his orders for the arrests of SS-, Police and Gestapo officials, as von Kluge had ordered him. I don't know why Koller would have been in Paris though, as his posting at the time does not provide a basis for that.

Never during my years studying the German resistance to Hitler and the nazis, the assassination attempt and the uprising have I ever come across the claim that Koller was present in the conference room when the bomb exploded on 20 July, 1944.

Generaloberst Günther Korten was there though, some sources say he was crushed by a wood column and some sources say he was impaled by a jagged table fragment. He died on 22 July, 1944.

Others severly injured, who eventually died from their wounds were:
Oberst (GS) Heinz Brandt who lost a leg, and died on 21 July. He was posthumously promoted to Generalmajor on 22 July.

Generalleutnant Rudolph Schmundt who lost a leg and an eye, and died on 1 October. He was promoted to General der Infanterie on 1 September.

Dr. Heinrich Berger who lost both legs and was killed on the spot.

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Post by mulisch » 14 Aug 2006 06:20

Hello to yoa all,
here's a picture of the funeral of Generaloberst Günther Korten at Tannenberg.
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Post by Jeremy Dixon » 24 Sep 2007 17:38

If Koller wasn't present at Hitlers HQ when the bomb went off in July 1944 why does it say in "Die Generale der deutschen Luftwaffe" by Hildebrand under Karl Koller:
"20.07.1944 - 31.10.1944 - beim Attentat vom 20.7.1944 verletzt/Lazarett/Führerreserve"
I'm confused I believe this translates to: wounded on 20.07.1944 in hospital from 20.07.1944 until 31.10.1944

Help!!

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Post by Dieter Zinke » 06 Oct 2007 14:07

Koller wasn't present at Hitlers HQ when the bomb went off in July 1944. The information by Bradley / Hildebrand is wrong !!

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Post by Jeremy Dixon » 21 Oct 2007 12:26

Thanks Dieter I thought so its the only book that has him present at Rastenburg in July 1944 - so I ignored it

Thanks again

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Re: General der Flieger Karl KOLLER

Post by Requin Marteau » 01 Dec 2018 11:33

Bonjour,

What's this aerial badge to the right of the EK I ?

Awards list :
- EK II,
- EK I,
- Kgl. Bayerisches Flugzeugführer-Abzeichen,
- Kgl. Bayerisches MVK 3. Kl. mit Schwertern, (class not sure)
- Kgl. Bayerisches MVK 3. Kl. mit Schwertern u. mit d. Krone, (class not sure)
- Kgl. Bayerisches Aero-Club-Abzeichen,
- Ehrenkreuz des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern (1934),
- Ungarische Ehrenmedaille des Weltkrieges 1914-1918 mit Schwertern,
- Luftwaffen-Dienstauszeichnung 25 Jahre (2 octobre 1936),
- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 13. März 1938,
- Medaille zur Erinnerung an den 1. Oktober 1938 mit Spange «Prager Burg»,
- Gemeinsames Flugzeugführer u. Beobachter Abzeichen in Gold,
- 1939 Spange zum EK II,
- 1939 Spange zum EK I,
- Ritterkreuz (10 avril 1942),
- Deutsches Kreuz in Gold (7 février 1944).

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Re: General der Flieger Karl KOLLER

Post by Cartaphilus » 01 Dec 2018 12:02

Pilot Badge from Yugoslavian Air Force

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Re: General der Flieger Karl Koller

Post by Requin Marteau » 01 Dec 2018 16:48

Thanks,
It seems to me that there is a Star in the center of the Badge (for one Observer Badge)
and add Kroatian Pilot Bagde.
Who is this other man ?
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