I had thought from things I've seen on this forum that if anything, Hitler had, if anything, an overly romantic view of Muslim fighting prowess. Can anyone tell me if the quote given in the above paragraph is authentic?Although he loathed Arabs (he once described them as "lacquered half-apes who ought to be whipped"), Hitler understood that he and the Mufti shared the same rivals - the British, the Jews and the Communists. They met in Berlin, where the Mufti lived in exile during the war. The Mufti agreed to help organise a special Muslim division of the Waffen SS. Powerful radio transmitters were put at the Mufti’s disposal so that his pro-Axis propaganda could be heard throughout the Arab world.
Hitler quote
Hitler quote
I've just came across this
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Hitler was certainly in no sense pro-Arab. He regarded them as Semites, racially of the same stock as the Jews.
Neither was the SS Establishment pro-Arab. Before the outbreak of war, the SS Establishment had supported the Jews in their conflict with the Arabs over Palestine, not of course because of any philosemitic feelings, but for the purely practical consideration that if Jewish settlement in Palestine were successful, it would provide a destination to which the Jews of Germany could be forced to emigrate.
For that very reason, the SS Establishment supported the British mandate over Palestine, and did nothing to cause trouble for the British there during the Arab uprising of 1936-39. That was in contrast to the position taken by Italy, which supported the Arab uprising, at least in words, and utilised it to whip up anti-British feeling throughout the Arab-Muslim world.
Once the war started, the German position changed. Now that Britain was the enemy, it made sense for Germany to adopt the Italian position and utilise Arab anti-British sentiment as a weapon against Britain. However, Hitler always saw the Arab-Muslim world and the Middle East in general as part of Italy's sphere of influence, and took no real interest in it.
The pro-Arab position adopted after the beginning of the war was always purely instrumental, and not based on any ideological position. In our own time the Jewish Establishment spreads the propaganda that the German National Socialists and the Arabs shared the same exterminatory anti-Semitic ideology, but that is a cynical falsification of history. The anti-Jewish position taken by Jaj Amin al-Husseini and other Arab leaders was entirely a result of the Jewish attempt to seize Palestine, an integral part of the Arab-Muslim world, and was not dictated by some fundamental tenet of Islam.
Arab nationalists, such as Anwar Sadat in Egypt, hoped that Germany would drive the British out of the Middle East and liquidate the Zionist colonies in Palestine, which they saw as an agent of British Imperialism. That hope may well have been based on false premisses, since before the war National Socialist Germany had done everything in its power to assist the development of those colonies, even allowing German Jews to export their capital to Palestine, thereby saving the Zionist enterprise from imminent bankruptcy.
A good book to read on the subject is "The Third Reich and The Palestine Question", by Francis R. Nicosia (Austin : University of Texas Press, 1985).
Neither was the SS Establishment pro-Arab. Before the outbreak of war, the SS Establishment had supported the Jews in their conflict with the Arabs over Palestine, not of course because of any philosemitic feelings, but for the purely practical consideration that if Jewish settlement in Palestine were successful, it would provide a destination to which the Jews of Germany could be forced to emigrate.
For that very reason, the SS Establishment supported the British mandate over Palestine, and did nothing to cause trouble for the British there during the Arab uprising of 1936-39. That was in contrast to the position taken by Italy, which supported the Arab uprising, at least in words, and utilised it to whip up anti-British feeling throughout the Arab-Muslim world.
Once the war started, the German position changed. Now that Britain was the enemy, it made sense for Germany to adopt the Italian position and utilise Arab anti-British sentiment as a weapon against Britain. However, Hitler always saw the Arab-Muslim world and the Middle East in general as part of Italy's sphere of influence, and took no real interest in it.
The pro-Arab position adopted after the beginning of the war was always purely instrumental, and not based on any ideological position. In our own time the Jewish Establishment spreads the propaganda that the German National Socialists and the Arabs shared the same exterminatory anti-Semitic ideology, but that is a cynical falsification of history. The anti-Jewish position taken by Jaj Amin al-Husseini and other Arab leaders was entirely a result of the Jewish attempt to seize Palestine, an integral part of the Arab-Muslim world, and was not dictated by some fundamental tenet of Islam.
Arab nationalists, such as Anwar Sadat in Egypt, hoped that Germany would drive the British out of the Middle East and liquidate the Zionist colonies in Palestine, which they saw as an agent of British Imperialism. That hope may well have been based on false premisses, since before the war National Socialist Germany had done everything in its power to assist the development of those colonies, even allowing German Jews to export their capital to Palestine, thereby saving the Zionist enterprise from imminent bankruptcy.
A good book to read on the subject is "The Third Reich and The Palestine Question", by Francis R. Nicosia (Austin : University of Texas Press, 1985).
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A member of the Jewish establishment. But as far as I can see, they came by their influence fair and square, so I don't begrudge them their influence.Dan: Where did the quote come from?
http://www.aijac.org.au/review/2002/275/essay275.html
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The Australia-Israel and Jewish Affairs Council is part of the Jewish Establishment here in Australia, albeit a rather extremist part and regarded with some concern by the more moderate Jews.
Back in 1998, when Pauline Hanson's right-wing Australia First Party was at its height, AIJAC published a list of the party membership, an act which earned it a lot of condemnation, including from the more moderate parts of the Jewish Establishment.
Back in 1998, when Pauline Hanson's right-wing Australia First Party was at its height, AIJAC published a list of the party membership, an act which earned it a lot of condemnation, including from the more moderate parts of the Jewish Establishment.
Also interesting info: Documents on German Foreign Policy 1918-1945, Series D, Vol XIII, London, 1964michael mills wrote: Neither was the SS Establishment pro-Arab. .
The Fuhrer replied that Germany's fundamental attitude on these questions, as the Mufti himself had already stated, was clear. Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine, which was nothing other than a center, in the form of a state, for the exercise of destructive influence by Jewish interests.
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The Fuhrer then made the following statement to the Mufti, enjoining him to lock it in the uttermost depths of his heart:
1. He (the Fuhrer) would carry on the battle to the total destruction of the Judeo-Communist empire in Europe.
2. At some moment which was impossible to set exactly today but which in any event was not distant, the German armies would in the course of this struggle reach the southern exit from Caucasia.
3. As soon as this had happened, the Fuhrer would on his own give the Arab world the assurance that its hour of liberation had arrived. Germany's objective would then be solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere under the protection of British power. In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. It would then be his task to set off the Arab operations, which he had secretly prepared. When that time had come, Germany could also be indifferent to French reaction to such a declaration.
Muslim Division Hanzar
The History Channel has an interesting program regarding Saddam and the Third Reich, including Hitler and Nazi Germany's involvement with the Grand Mufti. Hitler probably wasn't much interested in him, but other Nazis showed interest. It has video of Hitler and the Grand Mufti meeting (propoganda of course).