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NARA Jagdpanther pic question

Post by uli » 27 Jan 2006 00:39

Is there a real good and unclipped copy (where the background of the photo is visible) of this NARA pic: NARA, SC 42/366 ETO-HQ-45-20060.

Found it on the now offline page : http://www.12tharmoredmuseum.org/which_ ... =46&max=50

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Post by David C. Clarke » 27 Jan 2006 02:10

Hello Uli. I believe this picture is also reproduced in KarlHeinz Münch's "History of sPz. Jgr. Abt. 654" and the vehicle belonged to that unit.

Have you seen this one?

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From: klub.chip.pl/krzemek/ jagdpanther.htm

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Post by uli » 28 Jan 2006 00:58

Thanks for your answer.

I have the book "Combat History of ... 654". Tthe pic in the book is the same JP, but not the same photo.

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Post by David C. Clarke » 28 Jan 2006 03:33

Uli, do you have a special interest in Jagdpanthers? It is an interest of mine as well. The Jagdpanther in the picture I posted has been identified as belonging to either sJg.Pz. Abt. 563 or the 4th Panzer Divison. Can you help pin down which unit it was from?

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Post by Nlneff » 28 Jan 2006 05:12

Slightly off topic...

Every single picture of a Panther Glacis, or a Jagdpanther glacis, penetration on the western front I've seen appears to be from a 90mm round, presumably from a M36. Granted, there are not many such pictures. Still, it strikes me as odd that I can't recall ever seeing a penetration from a 17pdr, either a full caliber ABCBC or a APDS round. Considering there were more 17pdr guns in the field, and they were used for a longer time, this seems odd. Does anyone ever recall seeing such a photo?

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Post by David C. Clarke » 28 Jan 2006 05:59

No, I don't recall such a picture, but remember, although the 17 pdr. was common, the Jagdpanther was very scarce and, I'd imagine very few of them were actually knocked out by a frontal penetration (as opposed to being used as target practice after being knocked out).

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Post by Genscher Russia » 28 Jan 2006 19:40

Uli, here is another frontal hit in JP.
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Post by Panzeralex » 28 Jan 2006 20:32

Hi, all.
David, Jagdpanther on pic, which you posted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 4:10 am is belong to 3./Pz.Rgt. 35, 4 Pz.D, East Pomerania, March 1945.
Besides the tank on it pic is soviet IS-2.

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Post by David C. Clarke » 28 Jan 2006 20:56

Hi Panzeralex, I've seen that caption on the photo, but also the same photo captioned, "563rd s.Jp.Pz. Abt." Is there any proof that this is a 4th Panzer vehicle aside from picture captions?

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Post by Bill 13 » 29 Jan 2006 05:23

From the for what it's worth files:::::::::::::
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Post by Christian Ankerstjerne » 29 Jan 2006 15:23

I just want to thank people for the photographs - they're exactly what I needed in another discussion! ;)

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Post by uli » 07 Feb 2006 20:46

Your frontal hit JP-pic: post war photo from Alsace/France (sPzJgAbt 654), on the left sideof the vehicle the sign "DOMA III ES" is visible, probably a french scrap dealer mark.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 10 Feb 2006 21:43

Well , there we go ...

Another Jagdpanther wreck :

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It was published in the "Gifhorner Rundschau" on 4.2.2006 , according to the man who is on the pic it is taken 1954 in the area north of Gifhorn , near the road B4 ( but for me , the topogrphy does not fit , the area there is absolutely flat ! ) . "Clausewitz" , II.PzLhrRgt. 130 or "Kampfgruppe Nicolussi-Leck" , that is now the question ...

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Post by David C. Clarke » 11 Feb 2006 00:11

Nice picture Jan-Hendrick! Are you certain that no part of the area could have looked like this so long ago? The photo really doesn't show that much of the terrain.

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Post by Jan-Hendrik » 11 Feb 2006 00:19

The area this Gazette mentioned ( between the village Wagenhoff and the road B4 , former Reichsstraße 4 , and around ) is really flat , I have worked in this area for 1 1/2 years :D

The area about 15 km northwest would fit more if you would ask me . And that would speak that this is one of the "Clausewitz"-Jagpanthers .

My speculation :

- For a JP of II./PzLhrBt130 even Wagenhoff is too far north
- for a Jp of KGr."N-L" I doubt that it would have had enough fuel to get thus far ( and the only tank that came across Hohne seems to have turned west there , not east )

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