Lithuanian 'WWII Nazi' on trial

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Lithuanian 'WWII Nazi' on trial

Post by Marcus » 20 Mar 2006 19:07

An 85-year-old man accused of collaborating with the Nazis and persecuting Jews during World War II has gone on trial in Lithuania.
Algimantas Dailide pleaded not guilty to crimes against 14 civilians - two Poles and 12 Jews - while a member of the Nazi-backed security police.
He was deported from the US to Germany in 2004, having fled after the war.
It is only the third trial of a suspected Nazi war criminal in any of the Baltic states since independence.
Mr Dailide still holds Lithuanian citizenship but has been living in Germany with his family since his deportation.
He is said to have taken part in the wartime arrest of Jewish men, women and children who were attempting to escape from forced confinement in the Vilnius Jewish ghetto between 1941 and 1944. Two Poles were also said to have been arrested for political reasons.
Many of the Jews arrested by the Saugumas, as the security police were known, were shot at execution pits at Paneriai, a wooded area outside Vilnius where some 50,000 Jews were killed during the war.
More than 200,000 Jews were killed in Lithuania during the war - many by their neighbours working with the occupying Nazi forces.
The Jewish human rights organisation, the Simon Wiesenthal Center, has long campaigned for Mr Dailide to stand trial.
Chief Nazi-hunter Dr Efraim Zuroff has said that significant parts of Lithuanian society are still in deep denial regarding the role played by local Nazi collaborators in the mass murder of Lithuanian Jews.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4826280.stm

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Post by AdaOg » 21 Mar 2006 09:42

MOre information about Ponary crime (Panerai)



http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1182991,1292,1,kioskart.html
Szaulisi:

Convicted victims were taken to Ponary by trucks, by train or they were driven on foot. They were shot close to or inside the ditches. There were often maltreated close to the ditch in order to receive valuable information.

Polish blood had flown in Katyń, Miednoje, Charkow, Oświęcim or Majdanek – but also in Ponary, place 10 km far from Wilno. There is lack of information of that events in Poland and in the world.

Till the outbreak of WWII Ponary was spa for Wilno’s inhabitants. After incorporation of Lithuania in 15 June 1940 Russians began the construction of the fuel base for fighters. They dug 7 or 8 huge ditches; 3 or 4 were 32m in diameter and with depth of 4 meters, rest were 12m in diameter and with 3m depth.

After the beginning of German-Russian war, 2 days after pursuit of Wilno’s area (26 June 1941) Germans started mass murders on Polish Nation. They used former fuel base – they surrounded it with barbed wire and they took there first prisoners (incl. Jews of Wilno’s ghetto approximately 70thousands people).

The first execution in Ponary took place in 4th July 1941, - Germans and Lithuanians killed 54 Jews. The biggest execution took place on Jews on 2nd September 1941, in revenge of alleged Jews actions - Jews were accused of shooting to German solders. On that day Germans killed 3,7 thousand Jews.

There were horror scenes in Ponary. Kazimierz Sakowicz was the witness of that events(he saw everything from his house’s attic). We wrote memory and hid it in the bottles burred in the garden. When the bottles were found the author didn’t live anymore. He died in Wilno during the Burza action on 5th July 1944 (His diary is in central State Archives in Wilno).

During 3 years long occupation since July 1941 till July 1944 there were approximately 100.000 victims killed in Ponary. The exact number is not known.

The executions on Jews, Gypsies, Poles and communists were committed by Germans but also with big help of Lithuanian helpers of paramilitary Unit called Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga (Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation) – so they were called „szaulisi” (they probably also took part in Warsaw Uprising – on Germans’ side). That organisation was established in Lithuania in 1919 and was known for its chauvinism and anti-Semitism. There were 62 thousands members in 1940. On that time Lithuanians population was 2,2-milion people. It should be remembered that some of Szaulisi were also solders of Lithuanians Activists Front – organisation established in Germany in 1940. The front made intelligence service for Germans. The organiser of Wilno’s Sonderkommando, officially assigned to Gestapo, was German Martin Weiss, and the commander was Lithuanian Army Second Lieutenant Balys Norwaisz.

The troop what made execution in Ponary was called – Ypatingas Buris „ponar’s schooters”. They had green uniforms of Sicherheitsdienst. In each execution there were involved approx. 80 szaulises, and about 100 were guarding the base.

The ponar’s executions were extremely cruel. Most of the executioners were drunk. So they often missed – wounded victims were not killed but buried alive. They also often aimed at victims’ legs or stomachs on purpose. Some of the victims were tortured before throwing them into the ditches. Mothers were forced to see their children’s death. Small babies were thrown alive directly into the ditches - it was people’s slaughterhouse.

Starting with October 1943 murderers became to burn down gathered bodies. Corpses were arranged into great piles. Every pile was burning 8-9 days.
After WWII end only 20 Ponar’s schooters from 108 were caught.

And other interesting information of war murderers “Szaulisi”:

http://www.diapozytyw.pl/en/site/slowni ... now/wilno/

http://www.forum-znak.org.pl/index-en.p ... ad&id=1561




Polish state investigations:
(http://www.ipn.gov.pl)
Investigation into mass killings of Polish citizens of Jewish nationality, committed between June 1941 and July 1944 by German members of different formations, assisted by members of paramilitary formations and Belarusian, Lithuanian and Latvian police detachments, within the territory of the Nowogródek Province (presently in western Belarus). Owing to the large scale of executions, it is impossible to estimate the number of the victims. In that area, the Nazis did not prepare any list of people murdered. In the course of the investigation, the number of victims and their identity are established solely on the basis of witnesses of the crime. To give an idea of the scale of the homicide, approximate numbers of victims in each town can be provided. And so, in Dereczyn the Nazis murdered about 5,500 people, in Lida about 5,600, in Nowogródek – between ten and twenty thousand, in Wołożyn and Nieśwież – about 3,000 each, in Ejszyszki – about 2,500, in Żołudek – about 1,500, in Iwie – about 1,700. The testimony given by witnesses interrogated in the course of the investigation is shocking. This is how the witness Regina Ł. recalls the homicide of Jews in Szczuczyn: “[...]Being at home about 10:00 am, I saw the airport area through the window. I saw about 3,000 Jews there, kneeling in rows, their heads down. There were men, women, and children. They were surrounded by Nazis [...] Nearby the place where the Jews were kneeling, there were trenches some ten to twenty meters long. Every quarter of an hour of so, the Jews kneeling in a row had to get up, get undressed, and run a ditch. When they reached it, they were machine gunned to death. This way the Jews kneeling in all the rows ran to the ditches. By about 6:00 pm they had all been murdered [...]”. The IPN prosecutor intends to identify the persons who witnessed the crime, and whose testimony may help to identify the perpetrators who have not yet been punished for their crimes[34].


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Investigation into mass killings of Polish citizens, committed in the summer of 1943 by members of the Gestapo, the German military police, and other German formations, as well as the police and members of Belarusian, Lithuanian and Latvian detachments collaborating with the Germans during the pacification of a number of localities in the Nalibocka Forest region (presently in western Belarus). The Nazis committed the murders during the pacification of about 60 villages, colonies, settlements and granges. Persons suspected of co-operating or supporting partisans, members of partisans’ families and persons who refused or were unable (due to old age or illness) to leave their homes were shot on the spot or collected in different buildings, which the Nazis then set on fire. In the Orthodox church in the village of Dory, Pierszaje commune, between 100 and 500 people (according to different testimonies) were burned alive. The investigation conducted by the IPN prosecutor also deals with killings of representatives of the intelligentsia, gentry, and priests. Based on the investigation findings so far, in view of the mass nature of the crime, the exact number of the victims cannot be determined. The IPN prosecutor has heard 37 witnesses. What poses a difficulty in the investigation is the arduous process of looking for current addresses of witnesses of the crime, living throughout Poland and outside the country[35].

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Post by Panzer Leader » 22 Mar 2006 18:20

I heard about this on the news yesterday.

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Dailide

Post by Baltas » 28 Mar 2006 09:26

On Monday Lithuanian Vilnius district court found Dailide not killed not tortured people so Dailide now is free.
He worked from 1941 till 1944 under nazi control Vilnius security police as file-cabinet clerk.
From 1950 till 2003 he lived in USA now he has been living in Germany with his family since his deportation.

sourse:http://www.delfi.lt/news/daily/lithuani ... id=9072381

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Szaulisi: answer for storyteller

Post by Baltas » 28 Mar 2006 10:36

AdaOg wrote:

The executions on Jews, Gypsies, Poles and communists were committed by Germans but also with big help of Lithuanian helpers of paramilitary Unit called Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga (Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation) – so they were called „szaulisi” (they probably also took part in Warsaw Uprising – on Germans’ side). That organisation was established in Lithuania in 1919 and was known for its chauvinism and anti-Semitism. There were 62 thousands members in 1940

First question do you have evidentiary material that Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga (Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation) committed executions.
Second question do you have evidentiary material that Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga (Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation)was known for its chauvinism and anti-Semitism if yes why it wasn't ban in USA when it was restored in emigration in Chicago March 7, 1954.Do you think that USA goverment suport chauvinism and anti-Semitism organizations.
I think yor are simply lying.

URL:http://www.sauliusajunga.lt/istorija_en.html




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Post by Askold » 29 Mar 2006 00:38

AdaOg:
(Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation) – so they were called „szaulisi” (they probably also took part in Warsaw Uprising – on Germans’ side).
- Please tell me where you got the information about Lithuanians participating in supression of Warsaw Upprising?

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Post by AAA » 29 Mar 2006 18:10

Ha'aretz wrote:Lithuanian court finds man guilty of helping Nazis kill Jews

By The Associated Press


VILNIUS, Lithuania - A court on Monday convicted Algimantas Dailide, who was deported from the U.S. in 2003 for lying about his past, of helping the Nazis murder Jews but deemed the 85-year-old too frail to do jail time.

The Vilnius District Court said Dailide helped round up Jews for the Nazis as part of the Nazi-backed Vilnius security police during World War II, when nearly 90 percent of Lithuania's Jewish population was killed.

"The defendant was fully aware he was committing crimes against Jews, but did not personally take part in killings or torture," Judge Alvyra Kvaraciejute said. "For the last 60 years, he did not commit any crimes. Dailide does not pose a threat to society and is too infirm to serve a prison sentence."

Prosecutors had asked for a five-year jail sentence. The charge, officially titled "an action against civilians, prohibited by international law," typically carries a 5-20 year prison sentence.

Dailide, who traveled willingly from his current home in Germany to stand
trial, denied the charges. The United States, where Dailide had lived since 1955 - in Cleveland and Florida - deported him in 2003 for lying about his wartime past.

"I have always said I did not kill anyone or help to kill (anyone)," Dailide said after the verdict was handed down. Defense lawyers have 20 days in which to appeal the ruling, but it was not immediately clear whether they would do so.

Prosecutor Rimvydas Valentukevicius said the verdict showed that Lithuanian officials were sincere about their pledge to convict Nazi war criminals.

"It's unfortunate he's too ill to serve any sentence," Valentukevicius said after the four-day trial. "Nevertheless, historical justice has been done."

Efraim Zuroff, head of the Nazi-hunting Simon Wiesenthal Center's Israel
branch, sharply criticized the court's decision not to imprison Dailide.

"Once again Lithuania proved that it is totally incapable of punishing its own Nazi war criminals. This country is the safest haven in the world for a local Nazi war criminal," Zuroff said by e-mail from Jerusalem.
Pretty much the recent par for the course, he is convicted of lesser offences, but too old to be actually jailed, and the SWC goes on the expected rant.

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Post by AdaOg » 03 Apr 2006 09:12

Dear Askold,


Quoted by you text was not my byt quoted. I'm I right?

Here you have one source of Szaulisi in Warsaw(page 106). There are others but I will not waste my precious time for you.

ps. besides the article is very interesting - concerning Poles and Jews during WWII.

http://www.pogranicze.sejny.pl/archiwum ... ie/psr.pdf
In May 1942, in Prawda, the
underground paper of the Front for the Rebirth of Poland [Front Odrodzenia Polski],
Zofia Kossak-Szczucka wrote, “Aburning question is the demoralization and savagery
which the Jewish slaughter is wreaking among us [Catholic Poles]. Not only the
szaulisi [Latvian police units who assisted in the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto],
volksdeutche [Polish citizens of German descent] or Ukrainians are used to perform
horrible executions. In many localities the local population has taken part in the
massacre as volunteers. We must counteract similar mortification by any and all
means available. We must make people aware that they are turning into Herodian
hired assassins, rebuke them in the underground press, call for a shunning of these
executioners, and announce strict trials of the murderers by the Republic.” 5

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Polish sources

Post by Baltas » 03 Apr 2006 16:47

Dear AdaOg which Polish source is double-tongued?
1.AdaOg wrote:
The executions on Jews, Gypsies, Poles and communists were committed by Germans but also with big help of Lithuanian helpers of paramilitary Unit called Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga (Lithuanian Shooting Assosiation) – so they were called „szaulisi” (they probably also took part in Warsaw Uprising – on Germans’ side).

2.AdaOg posted:
Not only the
szaulisi [Latvian police units who assisted in the liquidation of the Warsaw ghetto],
volksdeutche [Polish citizens of German descent]

I think Latvia and Lithuania different countries or Lietuvos Szauliu Sajunga „szaulisi” was restored in emigration in Chicago March 7, 1954 very interesting after suppression Warsaw Uprising USA goverment suport Nazies collaborators paramilitary
unit it is funny.

Regard Baltas

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