Chinesen-Kompanie (Boxerwar)

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Chinesen-Kompanie (Boxerwar)

Postby Reichskolonialamt » 03 Apr 2006 11:33

For a very short time served chinese soldiers in a german military unit: The Chinesen-Kompanie (1900-1901). When the unit was liquidated, some of the soldiers changed to the Tsingtau-Police. The museum is writing 1908..?

Does anyone know, where I could find their uniform regulations? The Imperial War Museum is showing a belt-buckle with a dragon on, which allegedly belongs to this unit. Is this right???
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Postby Peter H » 03 Apr 2006 13:12

This photo was on Wehrmacht-awards.com.

"Chinese levees.."

I dont know if they are members of the Chinese company.

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Postby Reichskolonialamt » 03 Apr 2006 13:46

Nice picture. This fits to a discription, that I have:

"Jacke und Hose aus grünlichgrauem Drell, auf der Jacke gelbe Verschnürung über der Brust. Mütze mit Ohrenklappen, die nach oben gezogen und dort festgebunden waren, sowie Wickelgamaschen von dunkelblauem Tuch. Schnürschuhe aus naturfarben-braunem Leder. Koppelzeug schwarz."

Unfortunatly no comments to the belt-buckle. But later on, when the Chinese-Police (Chinesen-Gendarmerie) in Tsingtau was esthablished, they took over most of the equipment. The police got blank buckles!
---> http://www.traditionsverband.de/magazin/chinesen.html

Here is a pic "Chinesen-Kompagnie" from a book of 1905. At this time, I presume, they had already changed from a military unit to a police unit. But look at their hats...?
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Postby lettow4beck » 04 Apr 2006 03:02

I thought the belt buckle was worn unofficially by Germans serving in China. As for the Chinese companies serving with the Germans, there were more than one. One was attached to the III. Seebataillon and was later converted to a police company, but I believe this happened have read that there were numerous Chinese companies attached to the Ostasiataiche Expeditionskorps during the Boxer Uprising. I think the picture of the Chinese in Chinese-style uniform represents this, because the Germans in the picture don't appear to be III. Seebataillon. I think the last picture may be of the Chinese company attached to the III. Seebataillon. According to the same source as the uniform description the unit was converted to a Gendarmerie unit in 1908.

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Postby Reichskolonialamt » 04 Apr 2006 08:15

lettow4beck wrote: As for the Chinese companies serving with the Germans, there were more than one. One was attached to the III. Seebataillon and was later converted to a police company, but I believe this happened have read that there were numerous Chinese companies attached to the Ostasiataiche Expeditionskorps during the Boxer Uprising.

Yes, I think most of these confusions are because the Chinesenkompagnie of the III.Seebataillon was a case of mistaken identity with the regular chinese troups, who fought loyal with the international Expeditionskorps. Falkenhayn wrote 1904 about 1200 chinese, who stood loyal to the international troups.
It is known, that some chinese lords bought equipment and weapons in Germany at the end of the 19th century. So perhaps these chinese(!) units are equipped with swords and buckles in a german style, but with dragons on, like this (attached)


lettow4beck wrote: I think the picture of the Chinese in Chinese-style uniform represents this, because the Germans in the picture don't appear to be III. Seebataillon. I think the last picture may be of the Chinese company attached to the III. Seebataillon. According to the same source as the uniform description the unit was converted to a Gendarmerie unit in 1908.

As far as I know, this convertion to a police-unit happened definitly 1901. Perhaps later the police changed their organisation one more time and the Chinesenkompagnie lost its name. Yesterday I found this website with very good photos of the (military) Chinesenkompagnie:

http://www.seitengewehr.de/chinesen1.html

http://www.seitengewehr.de/chinesen3.html

And this Foto, after changing to a police unit, with very similar uniform (blank buckle!)

http://www.seitengewehr.de/chinesen2.html
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Postby Peter H » 04 Apr 2006 09:08

The British 1st Chinese Regiment at Weihaiwei also had a short life(from 1898-1905) and its members were converted to police.

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Postby Paul kyre » 31 May 2006 07:53

Good uniforms. But are there any chinese wearing german uniforms as well as wearing western military headgear instead of turban or straw hats?

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Postby Chris Dale » 31 May 2006 13:22

Hi Paul,
No, not to my knowledge. Although it's still an area of discussion and confusion about which units were where, under whom and wearing what, I've never seen a photo of them wearing German headgear and uniforms yet....
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Postby Chris Dale » 23 Aug 2006 11:44

Here's another page with photos of the Chinese Police I found...

http://www.kukri.de/china-polizei.html

That website is really good if you look around it with photos of other colonial police from Togo, DOA, DSWA etc...

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Postby lettow4beck » 20 Oct 2006 14:13

Here's a picture I found on ebay recently. It doesn't look like the Chinese soldiers are wearing any form of uniform. That is a member of the german OAEK in the middle though.
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Postby soldat_m56 » 17 Nov 2006 22:05

In regards to the dragon belt buckle, it was apparently not worn by Germans or Chinese police, but by the regular Chinese army.

From German Colonial Uniforms website:
A Chinese Dragon Belt Buckle. There has previously been some doubt as to whether these buckles (and German-made swords with similar decorations) were issued to the German East Asian Expeditionary Corps for the Boxer Rebellion in 1900 or maybe to the Chinese Companies raised by the Germans in Peking and Tsingtao.

In fact they were made in Germany for the regular Chinese army and were not worn by any German forces.

This buckle with is made from two metal pieces: a brass back plate and a nickel front plate bearing the Dragon design. Other similar buckles were made from one piece of stamped brass.
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Postby Chris Dale » 20 Nov 2006 03:55

Hi Nick,
Thanks for that information, can you tell me where you found it on the Imperial War Museum website? I can't seem to find it there.
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Postby soldat_m56 » 21 Nov 2006 02:17

Chris,
Sorry, I found it on a search. I was not the Imperial War Museum website, the buckle is just in their collection.

The correct website is: http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk

Look under "London Imperial War Museum Collection".

Hope that helps,
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Postby Chris Dale » 21 Nov 2006 03:32

Hi Nikolas,
Thanks for that. http://www.germancolonialuniforms.co.uk is my website, I thought the text looked familiar and wondered if the IWM had quoted me... that's OK then. I originally found the information on these buckles from the http://www.traditionsverband.de website run by another of our members...
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